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Fuck solarpunk. I buy carefully, not mindlessly, based on what I'm getting and for how long, with the intent of not having to replace what I buy. So let's get that out of the way, this isn't about the merits of environmental preservation or efficient use of our resources.
I need mass media because I ENJOY PLAYING VIDEO GAMES. I don't want to live in the fucking "gay space commune", I want to live in a world that feels good to me, and you solarpunk assholes seem to say people like me who escape from reality because they've NEVER been capable of supporting themselves should start a fucking garden?!
Newsflash. I. Don't. Like. Your. "Utopia". I never will. If you ever succeed in making your idea of a future a reality, I'll burn it to the fucking ground as my revenge on you bastards. I hate your idea because all it does is change how I am oppressed as a disabled adult to how I was oppressed as a special needs child illegally taken from my parents by a corrupt mental health system.
You want to see a real utopia? A place where everyone is happy in the world they live in? Fucking find an oneirogenic drug that induces lucid dreams or create a VR metaverse.
Who I am in reality does not matter. Who I am in my mind can't be expressed in a solarpunk world, only online. At least that's how it used to be.
Why am I named the same as an Open Source Game? Cyperprep doesn't have to mean "the future megacorps are not so bad!" but rather "megacorps control this dystopian future but they can't always stop the signal and that means Open Source Software is the way to fight back".
The difference between FOSS for smart devices and social networks and FOSS for games is that games are art and that means paid food production will take precedence over volunteer video games.
And no, you don't get to say "get another hobby". I know myself. I like technology. I don't like preachy people. I stopped buying Apple when I stopped seeing unique-looking devices. I am a gamer. Most importantly, I am a sci-fi writer who wants optimistic stories that don't assume the reader is a fully-capable person.
I am not demanding you write what I want to see. Only that you not try to turn reality into it. If you see this, once again, fuck solarpunk.
So you think hurting people to make things the way you want them is acceptable? Because of video games? You are a dangerous man child (or maybe just a child).
You build my dystopia, you're imprisoning me. I am a cornered animal, do not fuck with me.
Ah confirmation.
Confirmation indeed. It's really too much to fucking ask that you NOT build another fucking prison? You, not me, are the sociopath. At least I reserve my angry rampage for if you succeed.
You judge me for liking what I like? You are literally trying to control my life by redefining society, and no, I'm not some rich skullfucker nor do I think people aren't entitled to the same basic level of comfort I enjoy regardless of race, gender, eromantic orientation or anything else; they may not have it, but if you wanted real equality then you NEED to uplift people's minimum living standard.
Apparently you care more about organic produce and trees than children or the homeless.
Who's talking about building a prison? You've imagined an enemy in solarpunk that has nothing to do with solarpunk and are getting upset at an internet stranger that has made no claims about wanting to stop you from playing video games.
You'll understand when your 13.
Then don't build it and we're fine. I'm angry because I'm disabled and Solarpunk is usually Ableist yet everyone is obsessed with social media detox and lumping all technologies in with it.
The solarpunk you've imagined in your head is ableist. Solarpunk is but an aesthetic. Don't assume so much and try to understand more nuance.
How do I live the life I want to live in a setting that tells me I "don't really enjoy this, you're just brainwashed by capitalism" over and over? By fighting back.
You and the aesthetic (idea) you follow are not powerless and you desire a world I am excluded from, purely because the part of my life I enjoy most (the fulfilment of escapism) doesn't fit into that worldview. I am probably not going to change anything, but so be it I wanted my position to be clear. You propose taking away a life(style) that I enjoy, and I want to point out that is what you're proposing. I cannot hold a job, I have issues which are permanent and pervasive that exclude any existence in a community-focused world and if solarpunk will not accommodate that then I will not accommodate it. I can't kill an idea, nobody can, but maybe I can get people to realise that solarpunk is not about only good improvements, it has a dark side and that dark side is that there are innocent people who fall through the cracks when only "the greater good" is considered.
First I'll say I can't speak for others claiming to be "solarpunk", nobody owns this word. The following are my opinions of solarpunk.
Solarpunk isn't about forcing everyone to live within the aesthetic. Because solarpunk is an aesthetic it manifests mostly in art, but just because an element is not common in solarpunk art doesn't mean it's not welcome in what one might call a "solarpunk world".
You don't see goths wearing all black in solarpunk art either, that doesn't mean solarpunks want to ban goths. You are into escapism, that doesn't really lend itself to depictions of solarpunk art. Solarpunk art is about promoting some ideals, escapism (while not excluded) isn't one of those so why would it be included in the art?
If there is such a thing as a solarpunk ideology, it would be akin to anarcho-communism. Solarpunk/Anarcho-communism is not about exclusion. It's not about forcing everyone to sing kum ba ya or GTFO. A community based world isn't about forcing social interaction, it's about society being driven by the needs of the community rather than the needs of a wealthy owner class, AND YOU ARE PART OF THAT COMMUNITY JUST AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE.
In the solarpunk world I want, you don't have to "earn a living", you're a human and inherently valueable. A solarpunk world will have better video games because they'd be made for the love of the game, not for profit motive.
If there is something one wants that necessitates harming others to produce or acquire and they view themselves as entitled to it at the expense of others then that is not an innocent person falling through the cracks.