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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

This is something I wrestle with sometimes as an engineering student and I think it does vary from country to country. You’ve got to ask yourself how the world would be different without those companies - whether other less friendly countries would come to prominence and whether the removal of the such a deterrence would make wars more common. But on the other hand, you should think about how those weapons are used and whether it’s ‘right’ like the defence of Ukraine, or more objectionable like some of the more polarising conflicts around the world. It’s a very difficult question but personally I don’t think I would work for a weapons company coz I don’t know how I’d feel about making something that is designed to kill people

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

No - it's not ethical.

Very little evil is actually a direct result of evil people doing evil things. The vast majority of it comes to be through ordinary people doing banal things - things that, like building weapons, are questionable at best, but that they excuse because it's "out of my control."

The thing is that it's not out of their control. Yes - if one individual makes the decision to not take part, that's not going to have much of an effect, but if every person who feels the same way makes that same choice, that absolutely WILL have an effect.

And there's only one way to make it so that every person who feels the same way makes that choice, and that's for each one of them, individually, to look past that "it's out of my control" bullshit excuse and go ahead and do it.

Everything on any significant scale is out of individual control. Individuals just possess a very limited amount of control over affairs on a national, much less global, scale. But that's really entirely beside the point. The point is how you choose to exercise the small amount of control you have. Will you use it for good, or for evil?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Was the reason I quit my last job.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

no and ive always refused to do it but actually im fucked now so maybe i would

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Collectively, no. Personally, yes. People deserve to make a living.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

As a Buddhist no it's absolutely not, as trading in weapons is specifically prohibited by the Right Livelihood part of the Noble Eightfold Path. Otherwise I see no problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

It depends on whether the military you’re selling it to behave ethically.

Weapons aren’t inherently bad. Every organism has weapons. It’s all about how you use them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yes. I don't want my effort to be dedicated to death and destruction. Imagine you're the guy who designed the iconic Tomahawk cruise missile. You can't mistake that profile. Every time you see or hear about one of those things being launched you know there's a good chance many people are going to die. Who wants that on their conscience?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

There's a difference, in my opinion, between designing a weapon and just being a generic worker at the company.

As a generic worker, the end result isn't any different whether it was you or someone else. For example, I don't think a guy who works at a Tesla factory could be considered responsible if the self driving malfunctions and kills someone. He might have directly contributed to the car that got built, but if he didn't work that job the car would have still been made and the tragedy would still have happened.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Depends on the country.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's ethical, the parts will be made whether you work that job or not, and you're only responsible for the actions of the military to the extent that you're able to change them.

Since none of your reasonable options will make an impact on the production or use of those items, it's not a ethical issue for you to work there.

What matters much more is your ability to provide for yourself and those around you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

It's ethical, the parts will be made whether you work that job or not

What if you are the best one at your job? If all the others are only able to make inferior weapons as soon as they have to do it without you?

Doesn't eveybody try to do the work as good as they can?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

If it was to like the Japanese self defense force? Sure.
If it's to the US and going towards bombing civilians all across the world? Hell no.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Nothing is real, everything is permitted.

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