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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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"Walt Bismarck," a neoreactionary/alt-right blogger, decided to live by his beliefs and move from the liberal hellhole of Arizona to the midwest:

In 2018 I moved from a racially diverse swing state in the Sun Belt to a homogenous red state up in corn country. This decision was largely motivated by politics—I was looking to retreat to an imagined hyperborea free of crime and degeneracy where my volk had political autonomy.

The particular delight here is the section "Reason #3 - White people are no longer my most important ingroup".

It turns out they don't like him, they don't like his ideas, and the white womenfolk don't take to him. The frauleins prefer "stoic chudbots with rough hands and smooth brains" over his noble mind and physique.

In practice a society that encourages late marriage is actually much better for more bookish eccentric guys, who tend to be late bloomers in developing their masculinity and ability to seduce women.

(meaning: he came on weird at one of the nice church girls he was ogling to the point where one of her large guy friends suggested he take his leave.)

Our guy comes so close to introspection, but successfully evades it and reaches the root cause - these are the wrong kind of white people:

But these Midwesterners aren’t descended from entrepreneurial adventurers like the rest of us. Their forebears were conflict averse and probably low testosterone German Catholics who fled Bismarck’s kulturkampf to acquire cheap land under the Homestead Act. These people mostly settled areas where aggro Scotch Irish types had driven off the Injun decades ago, so they never had to embrace the risk-tolerant, enterprising, itinerant mindset that had once fueled Manifest Destiny. Instead they produced families that became weirdly attached to their generic little plot of fungible prairie dirt, and as a result we now have huge pockets of the country full of overcivilized and effete Teutons with no conquering spirit who treat outsiders like shit.

There is no shortage of genuine and active neo-Nazis out Iowa way. But they would have met Wordy NRx Boy here and flushed his head.

In the comments section, other racists call him out on his insufficient devotion to the cause of white nationalism.

Even our good friends at The Motte took the piss out of him.

The illustrations are, of course, AI-generated.

original post. Found on Bluesky by ratelimitexceeder.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Cheezus! That's like a lot of discussion and commentary about a random fascist chud, over at the Motte, innit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah dude i was looking for schadenfruede but all i got was a masturbatory tirade about how this guy isn't calling himself a white nationalist anymore because republicans are basically racist enough for him now and don't have the skinheaded baggage of his former friends. I honestly hope he dies on the toilet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

and - a key point - his prospective tradwaifus don't want him

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But only because he's not a "smooth brained chud " like their boyfriends and has totally slept with over a 100 women ::eye roll::

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I do hope everybody here is aware of the deeper TheMotte lore, and what kind of place it is.

E: also themotte mentions the 'alt light' (not by name) but I heard a rumor that apparently a lot of these yt alt light people were paid by shady people to make rightwing content. The YT'er (sorry if you know any of those) chrisraygun apparently revealed it, but I have not looked into it at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I do hope everybody here is aware of the deeper TheMotte lore, and what kind of place it is.

No clue whatsoever, but I got the impression from the way they were talking about this guy, that they are basically sophisticated fascists and reactionaries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it's an offshoot from the r/slatestarcodex subreddit and scott alexander has directly recommended it to slatestarcodex readers

it's wordy Nazis debating things

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That context means almost nothing to me. I'm not familiar with those actors either. But I can understand "wordy nazis" at least 😅

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Scott Alexander Siskind, his blog SlateStarCodex and now AstralCodexTen are a pack of lesswrong rationalists and deeply on-topic for sneerclub, sadly, so you probably willl in future

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

and feel there are a number of nonracial issues that have since become much more important than the things WNs fixate on

like staying out of jail? and making profit off loons? at least, I'm guessing those are the priorities

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This was worse than I imagined from the quotes. I feel like I need to take a shower, now.

[...] which would severely limit the Federal Reserve’s ability to control the economy while exporting inflation abroad, and likely bring our material standard of living down to a German or Dutch level

According to this Quality of Life index which I just searched up and have not critically assessed, but I doubt the guy did that either for his claims, so I guess it's fine, the Netherlands rank second and Germany ranks 12th, while the US is on the 15th place. In other words: what is he even talking about?

Every day in this country more and more Hispanics marry corn-fed blonde midwesterners and produce pale Castizo children who only speak English, consider themselves basically White, and vote like Irish and Italians.

Jesus fucking Christ, I can't even come up with a funny sneer here because this reads like he just pulled it out of the 1940s Nazi Party's bag of race laws for who's allowed to marry whom, and it's making me feel icky.

I also subscribe to the old fascist idea that adversity gives life meaning. A comfortable and easy life without struggle or conflict is miserable, and just makes you a slave to the hedonic treadmill. When you live for pleasure, no pleasure is ever enough, and continued success will just leave you so pampered that any task that’s challenging or outside your comfort zone will begin to feel onerous.

Ignoring the low-hanging fruit that this guy just flat-out said "well, fascism wasn't all bad", what kind of toxic consumer mentality is ingrained in these chucklefucks that they are seemingly unable so sit their sorry asses down on the couch and just say, yeah, I'm happy right now, to the point where they just postulate that other people must feel the same way, because they just can't imagine anyone being different?

Like, seriously, get a hobby or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dude, showering is exactly what I feel like now. I clicked the post to be nice and read, but only got a couple paragraphs before I just skimmed and picked out the "JFC" bits.

Then the first comment on the blog mentions how sad it is that you lose your "genetic whiteness" in 9 generations and just..goddamn...why is this an issue? Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of "keeping it white."

I try to be empathetic where possible, but fuck these people and their entire worldview.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Genetic purity is a fucking impossibility due to sheer randomness, let alone the implications of "keeping it white."

you assume that he has basic knowledge of biology

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I, for one, vote for these "genetic purists" to only procreate with their peers and keep the circle closed from "those dirty Italians/Irish/Scots/Teutons/Slavs". How many generations until the problem solves itself, 5?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

always love* it when these guys get so race scientist they start on different groups of white people

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

@dgerard Whiteness is a movable feast. (Ask anyone who's Jewish, or LGBT+, or Italian/Irish in the USA in the 19th century or Hispanic in the USA before/after the 1970s).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Ayuuuuuuuup. Movable feast is a great term for it. Even once formerly ostracized groups get permitted into the in-group, their membership is strictly conditional on serving the interests of those closer into the center of the Whiteness construct. Stop being useful, watch how fast the old hate rears its ugly head again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

remember how Germans used to be swarthy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Mayhaps the Bohemians?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

He’ll be judging standard of living by raw GDP/PPP per capita, where the US does indeed notoriously outperform everybody by an absurd margin. This does the rounds even on the “serious” econ net every few months, and it’s always the same paper thin sophistic ideas going back and forth arguing whether it’s telling you something meaningful about euro vs us living. In any case a good portion of self-assessed intellectual types have been drowning in that debate for about two decades (or more) so it’s always easy to spot lurking in the background: it’s a shibboleth for people who’ve self-educated on development by reading blogs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

he's clearly still convinced that if you could just purge the degenerates you'd get a utopia. but his post is a nice illustration of how if that actually happens they'll just keep inventing new ways to classify people as degenerate. fascists need, at all times, a face to stamp on

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is a fantastic example that their racist delusions are all made up. Whiteness is whatever they feel like in the moment. "These Chads and Staceys are a genetically inferior low-T line of white, I am the real lineage."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

the virgin chad vs the chad virgin

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This reminds me of a report from the Nazi ambassador to Iceland sometime in the late 1930s. He was posted there, expecting to find a model Aryan utopia, as could only be inevitable from a population of pure Nordic blood, but was bitterly disappointed to find a provincial backwater whose people were happy to stay put and get on with their lives. The schadenfreude was palpable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

More recently there was a family from Canada who moved to Russia because Canada was too "woke" only to find that Russia wasn't the woke free paradise they expected.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

According to Wonkette, they're now in danger of deportation because they don't know any Russian, and don't seem interested in learning it

https://www.wonkette.com/p/canadian-idiots-who-fled-to-russia

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Dude sold his farm and moved his entire family (wife+8 fucking kids!) on a fucking whim. I feel bad for the kids and hope none of them grow up to be as stupid as their dad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I'd watch this livestream

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

An undertone in Dutch weird right wing twitter is a desire to move to Russia/(sometimes Viktor Orbáns Hungary) because at least there they still have freedoms and rights. And they accuse the left of living in a filter bubble.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I just read an account of the Nazi occupation of Norway in WW2 and it was a bit like that. The local Nazis (the OG Quisling!) were widely hated, there was passive resistance at every turn, and very few Norwegians were interested in some sort of "racial bond" with Germany.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

online or deadtree? either way I'd be interested in reading that

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)

It's impossible to stop returning to that steaming pile of dogshit post and find something new to sneer at:

As Delicious Tacos aptly put it, a Far Left phase is treated like a woman eating pussy in college, while a Far Right phase is treated like a man sucking cock.

SO? WHATS THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE YOU WASTE OF SPACE?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

If I could talk to him I might say - I mean, if you are out of your Far Right phase (and it was really just a phase) maybe the idea of a man sucking cock shouldn't be your go-to example of a thing you imply can never be forgiven.

But that's none of my business, I'm just a puppet depicting a frog drinking tea.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

So I've never heard of (or maybe I've forgotten about) The Motte. It seems to claim to be a sort of "rational discussion is welcome no matter your viewpoint" kind of place, but IME places that go out of their way to tell you that in THIS many words, are actually "we welcome right-wing views under the guise of welcoming everyone's views, but really we would like some right wing views to be posted."

What is this place?

This website is a place for people who want to move past shady thinking and test their ideas in a court of people who don't all share the same biases. Our goal is to optimize for light, not heat; this is a group effort, and all commentators are asked to do their part.

The weekly Culture War threads host the most controversial topics and are the most visible aspect of The Motte. However, many other topics are appropriate here. We encourage people to post anything related to science, politics, or philosophy; if in doubt, post!

They've got a long list of rules in the sidebar, none of which seem to be "bigotry not welcome."

My question - am I getting the wrong idea because I just read that one thread (which seems mostly right wing folks) or is it indeed yet another "We claim to be for everyone as our cover, but we're really for the right" kind of a place?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

it is indeed a place for rational and reasoned discussion of why the fourteen words are correct, yes.

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