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KBin has taken over Lemmy in monthly active users count (szmer.info)

submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

It's obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is "better" or more "long-term viable" or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it's all one happy family.

That said, it's notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the "Reddit-like fedi instance" game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.

Anyway, the more, the merrier!

KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184

Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Just note that kbin.social currently has Cloudflare DDoS protection enabled which is breaking federation. Until this is removed, the communities are seperate.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Good to know, I was wondering why I couldn't see any kbin stuff here

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've got my lemmy instance proxied through cloudflare. It can work if you make it work. It does take a page rule to get around some of the bot detection nonsense.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago

I think it mainly comes down to the project landing page being more friendly and the UI being more polished.

The landing page of join-lemmy.org doesn't show what the website looks like. The only screenshots are of code and github. That section is geared towards potential instance administrators, not potential users.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That mstdn.social and the whole "lemmy = tankie" (whatever the fuck that means) is doing a disservice to the whole unreddit movement. I have seen plenty of discussion on reddit now of people not leaving because of these posts..

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

I did not say "lemmy = tankie", I said Lemmy has certain tankie baggage, and that is in fact true. The developers are pretty clearly tankies, they also run a strictly tankie instance (Lemmygrad; many Lemmy instances do not federate with it).

Pretending this is not the case is not going to help in the long run. It might slow down the "unreddit" movement now, but I'd wager a bet it will make it more long-term viable and resilient, if people understand that choice of instance is important (there are quite a few great Lemmy instances that I would recommend wholeheartidly, like BeeHaw), and that there are alternative, independent implementations on Threadiverse (like Kbin).

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is great. It suddenly feels like the internet of 2003 again, with small communities popping up, competition and less of a corporate chokehold. Only this time they have a shared login and crosstalk, which was sorely lacking back then. If we are lucky this event might establish a stable, new part of the internet, which is separate from the consolidated platforms. The Fediverse doesn't have to replace sites like reddit, just be a next step for people fed up with the corporate net (corponet?).

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 years ago (15 children)

The lack of app for KBin kills it for me.

I have a account with KBin and I may use it as well if there's an app

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I am on both and kbin seems less active.

Perhaps the numbers are counted different?

lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has visited the site.

Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has cisited the site.

The data is from The-Federation.info, and the idea is that the metric is about users whose accounts were active over the last month. I think "active" in both cases means "has logged in recently".

Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.

Absolutely. Sending all the hugs and good vibes, the Big Wave has not even started yet, I think.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago

The cloudflare protection of their main instance is breaking federation right now, which is a bit annoying. I hope this will be resolved soon.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I don't really care. I'm on Lemmy but fuck it, as long as it gets people off Reddit, competition can be a good thing in this space.

Metallica and Megadeth are historically successful bands, but Metallica would have never made it if Mustaine stayed.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

Sorry guys, kbin is built on PHP.

So even if it did succeed, it won't be for long.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

I know this is a joke, but not only is KBin built on PHP, but so are Facebook, Pornhub, and Wikipedia.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If history has taught me anything - I would say that means that kbin will persist forever.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Yeah, I generally prefer kbin's UI over lemmy's but given the backend is in PHP I have concerns that it might not be able to scale effectively with its growth.

Not saying that PHP is a complete showstopper but there are valid concerns in terms of maintainability...

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Just took a look at the stats on The-Federation.info and looks like Lemmy is doing just fine.

Lemmy Stats: 162 Nodes 90,053 Users 277,427 Posts 610,007 Comments

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

I just noticed the same thing. I do not see a stat that shows kbin is overtaking lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Tankie baggage?"

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Lemmy devs are tankies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I keep hearing similar things, but not a single person has linked to a comment or anything the devs have actually said.

Where can I read about this? I want to see what they said.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (6 children)

https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Great news to me I'm not "pro-lemmy", I am "anti-reddit".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Same! I use a Lemmy instance myself. I'm just happy to see there is diversity in terms of software projects in the Threadiverse.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Personally, I'm loyal to Beehaw. I like the culture that it is trying to grow. But I like how I can subscribe to things outside of beehaw as long the instance has federation enabled.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can someone explain the "tankie" baggage? I've seen it thrown around quite a bit but no one seems to explain it in detail.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

(Some) Lemmy devs seem to have political ideologies that are within the "tankie" settings. That's mostly it. Some people express they feel uncomfortable about it. Such devs hold an instance separate from the flagship instance (lemmygrad.ml), which in my opinion is not bad at all, I think it's better they keep them to themselves giving an option to other instances to block it. They're not trying to shove tankies ideas down anyones throats through the softwate or anything. Though this has leaked to the flagship instance sometimes as shown by this post

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

While true, there's still some pretty questionable/pro-CCP moderation on lemmy.ml.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A couple times a day when I go to kbin they Cloudflare me...kinda irritating. beehaw or Squabbles are down with a VPN dropping by, apparently. Or whatever's at work here.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Despite the tankie stuff I prefer the interface of Lemmy, though I have accounts on both. Love that they federate. Things are happening.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Agreed Lemmy is a lot cleaner IMO. I'd be all-in if it weren't for the political baggage, even with federation we're empowering these guys and giving them a bigger platform. l'm still uneasy about that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’m pretty uneasy about the association, but the attitude of Beehaw is the antithesis of it so I guess it balances out..?

I did play with Kbin first but the interface felt kinda broken to me, buttons not reacting and the like..

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can I use kbin to read Lemmy content?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. Check out the biggest currently active instance of Kbin, https://fedia.io/ — plenty of stuff from Lemmy instances.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What I don't understand is why there are SO many missing comments when reading threads in one instance from another instance. For example, the top "Hot" post on Fedia right now is a post about community fragmentation on Lemmy. When viewed from Fedia, it has 8 comments, but when view within the source Lemmy instance, it has 40.

This is an issue I've seen in every instance on both Lemmy and KBin and it's a huge issue. One of the main reasons I joined the Beehaw instance, since it seems less affected. In fact, Beehaw shows more comments than even the NATIVE Lemmy instance, at 57!