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Israel kills over 200 Palestinians to rescue 4 captives; U.S. allegedly involved in operation (mondoweiss.net)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Israeli forces carried out a military operation in the central Gaza Strip on June 8, 2024, resulting in the death of at least 210 Palestinians and injury of 400 others.
The operation was reportedly aimed at rescuing four Israeli captives held in Gaza, who were subsequently rescued and reunited with their families.
The operation was launched in Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah areas, with Israeli forces using artillery fire and reportedly infiltrating the Nuseirat refugee camp using trucks disguised as humanitarian aid vehicles.
The incident has resulted in criticism and outrage, with reports of U.S. involvement in the operation, including alleged support from the U.S. hostage cell in Israel and the use of a U.S.-built humanitarian pier off the Gaza coast.
The U.S. National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan, confirmed U.S. support for efforts to secure the release of hostages held by Hamas.
The incident has sparked intense criticism and debate, with Hamas claiming that the release of the four captives does not change the strategic failure in Gaza and that the resistance still holds a larger number of captives.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

the use of a U.S.-built humanitarian pier off the Gaza coast

This is why no one, ever, should donate for US led humanitarian aid. This is called perfidy, and it is a war crime. To create military infrastructure disguised as aid infrastructure or using humanitarian infrastructure to conduct military operations is a war crime. I suppose just another line on the laundry list of crap that Israel and the US have done in the past 6 months alone. But the worse is they just destroyed the credibility on the ground of any aid initiative and made it even harder for anyone trying to help to be trusted again.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

yes, US and Israel have a long history of using the cover of humanitarianism to do military actions. https://x.com/zei_squirrel/status/1799605369141948538

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago

I got downvoted heavily for stating this fact. Glad it's being acknowledged

[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

reportedly infiltrating the Nuseirat refugee camp using trucks disguised as humanitarian aid vehicles.

Geneva Suggestion

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Geneva Guidance.

Treat it like the lost arts to commit war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Every single accusation is a confession.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Haven't the IDF killed almost 40k, half children, at this point?

[+] [email protected] -38 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Killing innocent people is wrong. So is kidnapping innocent people. Honest question, do you think those 200 would have died in the hostage rescue operation if there were no hostages? Also Hamas = Palestinian. Palestinian does not necessarily = Hamas. Depending on how you report it changes the situation significantly. Let’s rewrite the article headline with some reality baked in. Over 150 Hamas terrorists killed with historically low collateral based on the demographic of the area during daring rescue of innocent bystanders who were kidnapped by Hamas militants and Palestinian civilians during an invasion on oct 7

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

“Historically low collateral”.

Assuming there were 150 terrorists, 75% of those either killed or injured were civilians.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Also Hamas = Palestinian

Fuck you

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

The IDF has exterminated over 15,000 Palestinian children in order to affect the rescue of these few hostages. I don't know how those people are supposed to go on with their lives knowing that that was the price paid instead of just trading the Palestinian hostages in Israeli custody.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That’s a fair point. Was that an option? I thought the only conditions of release were a ceasefire?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My understanding is a hostage exchange was Hamas's original demand at the start of Operation Al-aqsa Flood and that it still stands. I don't think that can happen even as a practical matter without a ceasefire.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. I remember there being some cease fire but only a few hostages were released. I do remember hearing a mention that it may be part of Hamas’s strategy to very slowly release hostages and keep some as bargaining chips because once the hostages were free they wouldn’t be have any leverage. This would be in contrast to an offering a full swap from day one, I don’t feel like that would have been likely but happy to be wrong. I also wouldn’t consider a deal like releasing 5000 Hamas militants in exchange for 50 or even all of the hostages to be fair or even a path to peace. If Hamas militants were freed they would likely (based on doing so time and time again) continue firing rockets into Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I also wouldn’t consider a deal like releasing 5000 Hamas militants in exchange for 50 or even all of the hostages to be fair or even a path to peace.

That is a gross mischaracterization. The 5200 Palestinians in Israeli captivity as of October 2023 included men, women, and children held under a variety of pretexts including prohibited speech.

Regardless, I hope you will agree that trading 5200 or so Palestinian captives of any type in exchange for all of the Israeli hostages is fairer than trading the lives of ~15,000 children for only some of the Israeli hostages.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Let’s rewrite the article headline with some reality baked in

-over 50 civilians killed, over 400 civilians injured
-historically low collateral

Neat. Maybe you need to keep tweaking the reality a but because this reality still seems like IDF is doing what a fascist does best.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought the numbers were historically lower than when the US went into Afghanistan/Iraq?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If so, also bad. Don't use whataboutism to deflect the fact IDF have been killing civilians constantly for months with only harsh words to deter them.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Aren’t you using whataboutism to deflect from Hamas and Palestinian civilians killing Israeli civilians? That seems kind of bad to but you only want to talk about one side

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Not at all. Also bad!

But this comment thread started with IDF, and you attempted to change the subject... that is whataboutism.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So because a conversation starts with a topic, no other topic especially ones that contradict the topics narrative are allowed to be talked about. Seems like a load of shit if you ask me. Although I’m not allowed to talk about that cause no one asked right

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It didn't contradict though. That's the thing about whataboutism, there is no contradiction, just another subject used to distract from the conversation. You literally replied to the OP of this thread with a distraction in an attempt to lesson the severity of one group compared to the other.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Whataboutism tacitly concedes the substantive point @lazynooblet
For that, @SuckMyWang can be thanked

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What you’re saying is if anyone ever says to you “don’t throw rocks in glass houses” you’re going to go on a rant about whataboutism and how it’s the inferior view point

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Do you have no soul..? 😳

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

jewish/zionist extremist think Palestinians live have no value.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Nitpick but your use of the = sign is astonishing. If A = B then B = A.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

When I made this graphic months ago, I expected I'd only need to use it one or twice. Unfortunately, it's seen a lot of action.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry though guys, it's totally not a genocide, the government told us so and we all know how much we can trust the government.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I belive the term ethnic cleansing and ethic violence is more accurate than genocide, and I think it's more helpful to the propalestinian argument as it's less debatable, but you do you