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I believe this is a slightly controversial topic, at least from what I have gathered so far. Some say its best to leave the server on to spare the life time of the spinning rust. Other seem to prefer to save power and boot the server off each night. So wanted to chip in and hear what folks here do and why do what you do.

Bonus question; Do you guys have a UPS? Is it a must have for a homelab, or does it just depend on the usecase?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

On/off:
I have 5 main chassis excluding desktops. Prod cluster is all flash, standalone host has one flash array, one spinning rust array, NAS is all spinning rust. I have a big enough server disk array that spinning it up is actually a power sink and the Dell firmware takes a looong time to get all the drives up on reboot.

TLDR: Not off as a matter of day/night, off as a matter of summer/winter for heat.

Winter: all on

Summer:

  • prod cluster on (3x vSAN - it gets really angry if it doesn't have cluster consistency)
  • NAS on
  • standalone server off, except to test ESXi patches and when vCenter reboots cause it to be WoL'd (vpxd sends a wake to all stand by hosts on program init)
  • main desktop on
  • alt desktops off

VMs are a different story. Normally I just turn them on and off as needed regardless of season, though I will typically turn off more of my "optional" VMs to reduce summer workload in addition to powering off the one server. Rough goal is to reduce thermal load as to not kill my AC as quickly which is probably running above its duty cycle to keep up. Physical wise, these servers are virtualized so this on/off load doesn't cycle the array.

Because all four of my main servers are the same hypervisor (for now, VMware ESXi), VMs can move among the prod cluster to balance load autonomously, and I can move VMs on or off the standalone host by drag-and-drop. When the standalone host is off, I usually move turn it's VMs off and move them onto the prod cluster so I don't get daily "backup failure" emails from the NAS.

UPS: Power in my area is pretty stable, but has a few phase hiccups in the summer. (I know it's a phase hiccup because I mapped out which wall plus are on which phase, confirmed with a multimeter than I'm on two legs of a 3-phase grid hand-off, and watched which devices blip off during an event) For something like a light that will just flicker or a laptop/phone charger that has a high capacitance, such blips are a non issue. Smaller ones can even be eaten by the massive power supplies my Dell servers have. But, my Cisco switches are a bit sensitive to it and tend to sing me the song of their people when the power flickers - aka fan speed 100% boot up whining. Larger blips will also boop the Dell servers, but I don't usually see breaks more than 3-5m.

Current UPS setup is:

  • rack split into A/B power feeds, with servers plugged into both and every other one flipped A or B as it's primary
  • single plug devices (like NAS) plugged into just one
  • "common purpose" devices on the same power feed (ex: my primary firewall, primary switches, and my NAS for backups are on feed A, but my backup disks and my secondary switches are on feed B)
  • one 1500VA UPS per feed (two total) - aggregate usage is 600-800w
  • one 1500VA desktop UPS handling my main tower, one monitor, and my PS5 (which gets unreasonably upset about losing power, so it gets the battery backup)

With all that setup, the gauges in the front of the 3 UPSes all show roughly 15-20m run time in summer, and 20-25m in winter. I know one may be lower than displayed because it's battery is older, but even if it fails and dumps it's redundant load onto the main newer UPS I'll still have 7-10m of battery at worst case and that's all I really need to weather most power related issues at my location.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

When my server was a laptop it was on 24/7. When my server was a desktop I had a cron job to turn it off at 2AM. Now that it's a specialized hardware it's on 24/7.

Being constantly on is very convenient, but if your services start quickly it's not the end of the world to have to turn the machine on for them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Additionally, night time is the time of creating backups. A second server pushes its backup also at night too. Potentially long running tasks like database migration I do at night. Lastly, when my server starts up it needs almost an hour until it truly reaches idle (potentially because it has to keep millions of files in sync with syncthing, I have to investigate). So my servers are more busy at night than at day

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I don't have any job that needs to run 24/7, so I poweroff my server at night (12 am) and start it in the morning using WOL.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I have a small 6U rack in my hallway which is where all the server stuff sits. There are 1U UPS units, but I haven't had the need for it yet. However after replacing motherboard on this current machine I forgot to turn on option for auto start after power failure. My servers are mostly for collecting data regarding temperature, humidity and other metrics around the house, glass house and other parts. Same machine also collects surveillance data from cameras around the property which detect human and animal shapes.

So since machine rarely does long term calculations or data processing it's okay that it doesn't have UPS, since no data would be coming anyway without power.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

UPS depends on usecase and on the stability of your electrical supply (which varies greatly from place to place). I just leave everything running and have it configured to restart automatically on power restore (if it fails, which it rarely does).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

24/7 and no UPS. Drains 33W on idle which I found good enough for me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Mine turns off at 2 or if noone has been watching for 10 minutes after 2am and turns on at 5:45. Nobody ever uses it during that time. It's pointless to keep it running. Additional bonus is that it auto updates all containers each morning. Yes, I sometimes wake up at 4 or 5 and it would be cool if it were running but it shows that you do not NEED it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Just watched diehard for the first time with my mother, going to send her this lmao.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Everything runs 24/7, but now I am thinking about theoretical power saving modes. Besides any built in power saving whatever (a little clueless), you could always throttle the CPU more. Not sure if it would be worth it without testing with a power meter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I power off my main server during the night cuz it's too loud, but I have a secondary one (an old mini-pc) to handle sh!t like wireguard, PiHole and DNS

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I personally only turn it off when someone's visiting over night and the noise disturbs them, otherwise I just leave it on nonstop. Mainly because it would annoy me to try to open whatever and find out I have to turn on the server first. I don't have a UPS and never even thought about getting one (for the server, I'm thinking of getting one for my 3D printer).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago
[–] Rizilia 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I let my production systems (1x NAS/1x Proxmox Host) on 24/7 and shut down test systems or my onside backup. I do it mainly to save some power and also noise, because all servers are in my office room. I would prefere some low power/noise machines that can keep running 24/7 and if you really need some horse power because you would want to test something or play around, you can power it on and shut down whenever you want.

But I dont use any UPS, because the power grid is very stable where I live but I have snapshots every hour or so. I can live with an hour of data loss if shit hits the fan.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

For a while I had a low-power server for my personal things that stayed on all the time, and a more powerful computer that hosted a minecraft server. As the player count dwindled, I decided to make the minecraft server automatically shut down at midnight, and wake up at 8 in the morning using rtcwake. And eventually I disabled the rtcwake thing entirely, and made the smaller server run a webui that could wake up the minecraft server using wake-on-lan. So if anyone wanted to play, they would first have to remotely turn on the server through a web page. This was all password-protected ofcourse.

Also, no, I don't use a UPS. I've never seen anyone use a UPS in the country where I live, and I don't think I've experienced a power outtage in like 4 years. Whether or not you need a UPS seems to be largely dependent on where you live.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As someone who enjoys pluging USB drives on unnatended computers, I love people that never restart their machines.

Thanks guys, you are the best! Enjoy your uptimes (ง ื▿ ื)ว

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

A well managed server won't init an arbitrary drive and has a lock screen with a password so that the most a rubber ducky would be able to do is reboot it. Which is something you'd already be able to do if you had access to the front panel with the power button.

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