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Ive been runing Debian 12 (kde) since bookworm was released and am loving it.

I have recently discovered Devuan which seems to be Debian without systemd - what is the benefit of removing this init system?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

SysV init is crap, but so is systemd as init process. One example is that an admin needs to know why the system does not boot properly. In this case the kernel messages help. systemd is not helping here.

I've currently one problem that I need to solve, but I need 2 people, one to make a video, the other to press Ctrl+Alt+Del to capture an error message that appears for 0,1s after sending the key sequence, when my PC does not boot. This is crap! Why the hell it does not boot occasionally, I have no idea and I've been an Linux/Unix admin for 25 years now. Why I cannot find it? Of course because systemd doesn't even log it!

This is brand new when systemd appeared. I loved to see the kernel messages to full extent...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Try MX Linux it's based on Debian. MX23 is based on Debian 12. You can boot with or without systemd as you please. Great distro!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't we have this thread yesterday?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Link please

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I swear I saw one but no idea how to properly search lemmy. Here's todays thread though https://aussie.zone/post/1515282?scrollToComments=true

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

devuan is a work of art. Artix and Devuan are both the only distros I'd turn to for stability and not having to deal with systemdoom's mess

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My problem with systemd is that since I'm practically forced to use it that it's flakey in starting services after boot (independent of service and distro). Since systemd I had to install monit to check if all services came up. Didn't had that problem before. Or I forgot, it's been a while....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Use systemctl --failed to see which services didn't come up, systemctl status SERVICENAMEHERE to see some status info about a service, and journalctl -b -u SERVICENAMEHERE to see all log messages generated by a service since last reboot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Don't worry about the downvotes, Lemmy is a systemd sausage fest. If you want negative "karma", just write "systemd bad" or even "pulseausio bad" anywhere, and wait...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Lol. Thanks. I really don't care. I'm running linux servers professionally since the late 90s, which means I have seen one or the other WTF. And systemd had quit some of them, especially flooding log files and race conditions. For example see https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/7293. That took more than 2 years to fix. And if people like to downvote my personal experience with it they are welcome to do so. I mean all I did was answering a question why one might use a systemd free distribution. Oh and for the downvoters: SYSTEMD IS MICROSOFTS ATTEMPT TO KILL LINUX! Poettering always was their agent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering 😉

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

systemd does have one problem that also existed before: sometimes services come with buggy unit files (or copy/pasted from something else and modified), similar to how there were all kinds of buggy scripts before. Unit files are much simpler than scripts and it should be easier to get right but when the author sometimes doesn't consider dependencies or test fail scenarios...

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