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Why YSK: Because you deserve to have peace of mind. Your privacy can mean your safety. I found out about this today, and in this comment I mentioned it and said I would make something more detailed.

I bet you heard that Google tracks you, as have I. But it's insanely daunting to see every movement, app and thing you have interacted with on your device for the last 8 years just laid out in front of you neatly. When you add your google account on your phone(or any device), it tracks this, with a timestamp, including:

-any app you used(including Contacts, Calendar, Phone, and when you pressed your home screen button-it is regarded as Samsung UI Home etc.)

-apps you viewed on google play

-map area on maps(you don't even have to search a specific place in order for it to get logged)

-if you called a place from maps(if you press the call button from maps to call a place and make a reservation, for example)

-images you saw and searched for on your browser

-location, video and voice notes and more

It is mentioned that if you log in on another device, it can keep track of this on that device as well.

#What can you do?

The first thing you can do is turn it off. Log on your google account, press the icon on the top right, then press on "Manage your Google Account". On the left side you will see a panel, choose "Data and privacy", and scroll on the center of the screen to see History settings, and press on My activity. You can choose to turn it off if you want. Make sure to stroll around to manage your advertisement settings, location settings, subscriptions and so on.

I also recommend switch to Proton Mail if you can.

#How I found out?

Recently, as you probably know, Youtube decided to be foolish(yes, more than usual) and force its users to either consume ads or buy Premium, blocking you after three viewed videos if you use any form of ad block. I said ew, no. Let's use yt clients that don't scrape your data and allow you to have privacy and no ads, it's about time I jump ship.

I didn't want to have to manage every subscription and videos in playlists manually(it would take days). I wanted something for my desktop, and I stumbled upon FreeTube. They have a guide that tells you how to export subscriptions and videos, the whole thing.

Following the instructions, I inevitably stumbled upon my managed data. It's a weird feeling seeing all that was. I vaguely remember how I felt in those years, but I never thought I would see what I was doing or what app I was using then. Inevitably we forget some trivial things in our lives, but this is what gets to be remembered, and this is the proof that we existed. It's strange.

Ending note: I assume most people here probably already know this, but I just wanted to pass this along for awareness purposes. I knew that I wanted to have random stats at the end of my life to like, review and read, but not like this.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Turning off your history in Google is about as useful as using the incognito mode in Chrome. It just hides it from you, but you can be sure Google is keeping their own copy. Don't use Chrome, gmail, Google docs.... Use custom ungoogled roms (GrapheneOS, LineageOS). Switch to Linux, use privacy friendly dns, or even your own... The path to privacy is a long and arduous constant fight, full of inconveniences.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The path to privacy is a long and arduous constant fight, full of inconveniences.

You got that right! Especially when rooting your phone is the best option. I never did figure it out, that shit is hard!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I don't root my phone these days anymore. It makes a whole host of other issues with banking applications and the like, plus a nasty app might take advantage of the elevation as well. Either a full rom, or going the path of adb disabling system apps. Not pretty. Using GrapheneOS these days.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't root my phone these days anymore. It makes a whole host of other issues with banking applications and the like, plus a nasty app might take advantage of the elevation as well. Either a full rom, or going the path of adb disabling system apps. Not pretty. Using GrapheneOS these days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Good point! Yeah I couldn't even unlock my bootloader on my Oneplus 😭 so i disable what apps I can these days

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I turned off my activity history, and I've noticed a needlessly degraded experience on some Google apps, like in Maps where it no longer labels your home location as "Home", but it's a saved location anyway.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dumb question but what are your thoughts on just using iOS

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's closed source, so how can you really know what Apple are or are not doing? I don't know if publicly available external audits are done on Apples software, but I doubt it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

A very fair point. I am stuck on iOS for work but for personal use lineageOS with MicroG

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

eh, i realized a long time ago than the only privacy that exists is between your ears.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's possible to have privacy with technology, you need to use alternatives

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah it's just hard sometimes. I try to strike a good balance between privacy and not making my life waaaay harder.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

people who care about privacy are trying hard to make it easier. Hopefully in the future privacy will be the easiest option

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Not really, it's possible to reach it online, but it comes with compromises to user experience. That's not something most people will ever want, but everyone can easily minimize the data being collected about them without harming user experience.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Do you really think Google will stop storing those juicy records of you if you click a switch?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I'd trust them to stop storing it but I don't trust them to stop processing it.

Ingest -> Train various AI models -> /dev/null rather than Ingest -> Train various AI models -> store for future training

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. Failing which they will eventually fall for a class-action.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shit, sorry! We didn’t know that these internal stores — which you cannot see — were still retaining your information after the removal request.

Jokes aside, all collected information is likely compiled as an aggregate (which ostensibly removes the personal aspect) that’ll have more uses for than just targeted advertisements, and not just on the data sources themselves. Pattern matching/guesswork for “filling in the blanks” with users they’ve less information on is one possible use case I could think of.

People like you and me can often be predictably unpredictable . . . I think it’s now (more than ever, what with all the quantity of data and extent of technology) the case of what they effectively know, instead of them explicitly having that information.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Realistically, google has no reason not to comply with a removal request. They get so much data, the people that decide to remove theirs is just a drop in a bucket. It's easier for them to simply automate the deletion process anyway. Not to say they'll stop tracking you, your name just won't be tied to it

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

My moment of realization was when gdpr was introduced and I pulled all data Facebook had on me. Found call logs, every picture I had, sms conversations etc from my Sony Ericsson phone and all of my android phones. They scraped everything of every phone I ever owned and used Facebook on. Some sms conversations were from when I was 10 years old. Very strange feeling and that made me delete Facebook and over time move away from big tech in general.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is why I switched to Graphene OS, it's much easier than I thought it would be!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I'd hate to be that paranoid tbh

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Wait until he finds out about Google Maps Timeline.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

For even more counter-measures, going to plug privacyguides.org, as well as the lemmy community (and instance) that is run by the owner of the site, [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How cN I get a copy to see ally data? While it certainly is creepy, I want to just see everything I have forgotten. So many things I've looked up and can't remember when I went to find it again I couldn't remember but I couldn't just ask my computer. I consigned myself to knowing they were probably doing this when I bought a Pixel 2 so long ago.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Sweet! Man-made horrors beyond my comprehension!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is why I stay safe in my blanket fort at home.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If there are no iron strings in your blanket, then Google is also tracking your fort

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Yes and I will add to this... Just degoogle your phone and slowly stop using Google services. Even this is not a perfect solution but its better than doing nothing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I downloaded duckduckgo which blocks all the app tracking and it did shock me just how much data was being collected.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am a gmail user so I’m not in a position to preach, but I am glad that I’m not using an entire phone made by an ad company.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Question, where did you find a phone that isn't run by an ad company?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Or if you are able to degoogling Is possible

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I wish Apple was transparent enough to have a real comparison of their privacy.

Personal guess, Apple is generating just as much personal data, just using it less offensively than Google. That's not good but it's betterish, I guess.

Main things I'm stuck using Google for at the moment are Gmail and Maps. Gmail, because my address I've had over there since Gmail was invite only. Maps, because they are one of the only decent sources for restraunt reviews these days (why did Zomato have to kill UrbanSpoon :( )

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's become very apparent that all their creepy tracking hasn't even improved their advertising, and clearly not their AI. So wtf is their data hoarding even going to if they aren't improving from any of it?

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