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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Spock steals the Enterprise (again) -- what more could I ask for?

Also yeah -- I really love how SNW is establishing that Spock has been, in the words of Eleanor Shellstrop of The Good Place, a messy bench who loves drama, since, you know, forever. How did he put it? "I thought it was obvious. I am proposing we steal the Enterprise." Amazing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nice episode, I was expecting a cliffhanger at the end showing what Pike was up to.

I am curious about the Lanthanites, I’ve had visitor before, like Guinan in 1890s, but a whole species living among side humans, maybe they don’t have a big population, I bet they could be the origin of many human myths. I wonder what was their reason.

Maybe It will help with Una’s trial, since both pretended to be humans.

Also, in TOS there was about an Immortal Human, maybe he was a Lanthanite and just didn’t know.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I am unsure how Lanthanites can have a distinct accent if they spent centuries successfully blending in, but I agree that it's interesting.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Structural differences in their larynx, tongue, or lips seem likely.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm only 14 minutes in, and I'm already way into this season.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Have we ever heard of Lanthanites? Apparently they

spoilerlive such a long time they get bored and they are hiding on Earth in the 22nd century.

I wonder if they know about the El-Aurians or Q.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I do annotations for every episode on DaystromInstitute, noting references and so on. Do I post the one I’ve done for “The Broken Circle” here or wait for Sunday?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Finally had time to watch it tonight and I thought it was great.

I feel like what seemed corny or off was on purpose. Spock is on a learning curve with his emotions/duty conundrum and we certainly felt that.

Looking forward to next week!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm doing my first watch of TOS and the instrument that Spock picks up is the same as in TOS 1x02. That was a cool little reference.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

WE ARE BACK!!!! :D

I feel like I have waited so long and it was worth it, while at first I wasn't bought entirely on the action, it really came together at the end.

I loved the entire part of Spock stealing the Enterprize for the first time of many and April's unintentional implications for the future. SNW keeps proving it has the Trek energy, yes it might stumble some, I can understand questions about magic steroids (it's a bit out there even for me but I am also surprised it took this long to have it, but maybe its not meant for combat actually but some medical thing?)

But it doesn't change that the quality of this show is so high, this really manages to capture the feelings of the older series, DS9 and TNG but also with a certain high quality to it.

Loved seeing the Crossfield get another showing and how the D7 has become the mainstay. I like that we get some more traditional trek ships out there. That feel like the older ones.

Klingon blood wine drinking with Spock was amazing.

I also loved Pellia and haven't heard of the lanthenians before but something about the half crazy old lady character is just amazing.

I laughed so much, felt so much heart warming. But then also feeling my heart ripped out with the memory to Nichelle and seeing that she has passed. I remember reading it but had kinda lost track of it.

I am so looking forward to more episodes of this <3

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Season 2 is released? I just finished watching season 1 yesterday!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was that a TOS style California-class docked next to the Enterprise early on?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

God damn I enjoyed the shit out of that!

At first glance I was unsure about the new engineer but by the end of her first scene I loved her. I wish she was featured a bit more but I'm sure we will see more soon.

Spock is the man!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Carol Kane seems like she's being set up as the central mystery or resolution of this season. Too many little nods that she is more than she seems, even when what she seems is already pretty fantastical.

Have we heard of the Lanthanites before? The concept of an entire race of "nearly immortal" aliens living on earth undetected until the 22nd century (starting when??) was a pretty serious infodump. I wonder if that's just worldbuilding or if it'll prove important later on.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

What a way to start the season! I love that they're leaning hard into the TOS vibe.

There's a lot to pick apart if you really wanted to, but frankly it's hard for me to get hung up on minutae when the characters and universe are so spot on. Some good starship porn in there too. What an adventure! Gene would be more than happy with this one I think.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not bad, but felt very Discovery in tone and aesthetic. I'm hoping future episodes match season 1's vibe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree, too much over the top action for my tastes, and the super serum was pretty silly. At least the Klingons were handled well. I like the look of them this season far better than anything else from this era of new Trek. They acted like Klingons too.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Quite enjoyable, although I agree with some other commenters that it wasn't the strongest premiere. I thought the green juice and whole Chapel/M'Benga plotline was particularly rough, though dealing with the PTSD could be interesting in the future. It just felt rather un-Star Trekky in an otherwise solid show.

I'm also slightly unsure about how far they are going in regards to Spocks journey. I did like that they had an in-universe fairly believable reason for it from last seasons episode with the Gorn. I like that the show has a consequence for Spock, and I certainly don't hate it but just a bit cautious and curious where it's heading.

Otherwise I thoroughly enjoyed the episode, even with so little of Pike. The other characters are very solid and I liked that they toned down some of the quips and such. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (14 children)

So we're not going to talk about the drugs that supposedly give you the strength to beat teams of Klingons and have no side effects?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If my memory is correct, this episode contained more than half of the scenes from the trailers, most of which were theorized to be from different episodes.

That leaves two possibilities:

  • this episode is the most interesting episode, which would be unfortunate but not unheardof for Paramount

  • the best is yet to come, and we have no idea what's coming.

I choose to believe the second, for now, and I'm excited.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

So, I used to work in TV marketing at the network level and I can tell you typically trailers are made up of the first three episodes or less. No real secret why though - usually the show is still working on the other episodes.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I understand if I get a slew of downvotes, but I thought that episode was pretty bad. The pacing was weird and many of the sequences involving the mining planet felt poorly written (what's with the Witcher potion?). I feel like I'm the only person not into the whole Spock/Chapel thing, so seeing that pushed harder was cringe for me.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Overall, a pretty good episode! I am slightly conflicted - I really like the character development of this Spock, but it's also less and less feeling like the Spock we'll eventually see in TOS. As the Klingon captain said, 'the least Vulcan like Vulcan ever' - whereas Spock in TOS is trying to suppress his human side and it takes him till like Star Trek VI to actually act on a hunch. But I am also conflicted as I really like this character too.

The stealing the Enterprise scene, I think Search for Spock is laughing... The CGI of the Enterprise manuvering away from space dock and escaping to warp was amazing though - one of the best uses of 3D space in Star Trek ever but pausing for like 5 minutes whilst stealing a ship to decide what his 'line' is going to be... I wish the new series would stop their pre-ocupation with this, it's kind of famous because Picard uses Engage and Make It So enough to be memeable, but most of the time people from Kirk to Janeway to Sisko also use Engage. (Kirk also frequently uses warp speed Mr sulu, and ahead warp factor 1, take her out, first star to the left and straight on till morning.) And so every captain doesn't have their thing. Pike's 'hit it' is ok, but 'Let's Fly' is kinda dumb and 'I want to go, now' is out of character and just a really unnecessary part of the story. It's also not going to be memeable when it's forced.

I really didn't like the scene where M'Benga and Chapel use some kind of drug to give them super strength to fight off a whole ship of Klingons and then the torture scene? Star Trek should be cleverer than that and made me lose respect for both of the characters. At least the Klingons look like Klingons again.

I like the new chief engineer a lot more than I thought I was going too though!

Star Trek has always been kind of lax when officers disobeying orders save the day, but I thought the admiral should have been angrier and I really hope there's a scene in episode 2 where Pike and Spock talk about it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (12 children)

That space jump sequence was the best part of the episode. I felt that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I just wish it wasn't the same "we're about to have to jump into space" scene that I've seen on countless other TV shows.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Fun episode, but bits and pieces always felt a little off. Pelia was fantastic - love seeing competent non-main-characters in any sort of fiction.

Chapel/Spock... ugh. Not so much.

Whats with the wierd "Crossfield" class?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

For me that was surprisingly good, by the end I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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