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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So, bit of a mixed bag. I enjoyed Spock smashing bloodwine, and the general idea of the plot, decent Klingons etc. I did not enjoy unexplained spacewar drugs, feels like a very non-Star Trek thing.

That being said, I really wish they would stop harping the "do the thing do the thing" angle every time anyone sits in the Captain's chair. It's been in every show now and it's just such a tired and stale joke that it's moved over time from being funny, to tiring, to outright annoying.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To add to this, I think I've formulated my total issue with the angle a bit better. The whole stealing the Enterprise plot was done incredibly casually, and I think they could have used the time they wasted on The Joke They Always Do (which was quite a bit, this was a notably long one) to make that whole sequence a bit more inspired.

Additionally, I really wish productions would talk to each other more. This joke was literally in the last episode of Picard and the first episode of SNW. Assuming you watched no Star Trek inbetween this is back-to-back The Joke.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So good to have SNW back!

Loved the episode in general, but there are some interesting decisions with this episode I'd like to get into, like the green power-up juice.

That seemed odd to me. Usually on a Star Trek show the ship's doctor and a trainee nurse would easily be able to kick the crap out of a dozen or so Klingons to save the day. And I'm not even joking, the crew of Deep Space 9 were absolute murder machines when they got going.

Thing is I sort of liked it, I liked that for once on a Trek show "We can't just beat up all of these people on our own" was presented as a plot point, because it usually isn't. I expect that there will be consequences.

As to whether it could or should be a thing, I mean this is a show where people can be teleported, so the idea that they might have some kind of super bull-shark testosterone quad damage power up in their med-kits seems perfectly reasonable.

It does however beg questions about why it isn't used more. And that I think is likely going to be a question we get an answer to this season. I also think it might be connected to why Mbenga will ultimately end up being replaced by McCoy*.

*Slight tangent, but McCoy's bigoted attitude towards Spock in TOS is going to hit so differently if they keep it for SNW, assuming he ever were to appear on the show.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

undefined> Usually on a Star Trek show the ship’s doctor and a trainee nurse would easily be able to kick the crap out of a dozen or so Klingons to save the day.

although we've been told time and time again, that Klingons are stronger, hardier, and better fighters than humans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's very un-Star Trek for drugs to have major Hulk-like benefits with zero downside. That scene was cool, but I agree with you it would be strange if we don't see any consequences.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Anybody else feel like the space battle was trying to mimic the Expanse style?

Unfortunately didnt seem to work as well. The Expanse puts a lot of detail and thought into combat, and the setting seems more fit for it somehow.

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