How many died because they were on a waiting list though? Don't get me wrong, any waiting list is one too many but this headline seems like clickbait to trigger people.
And no, I didn't read the article because the URL didn't work :-(
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You asked the right question, and no, the data presented isn't causative.
More than half of people who died in England last year were on an NHS waiting list, according to statistics.
Unsurprisingly, old people are often on waiting lists for things like knee and hip replacements, and these can be long. They sometimes die while on these waiting lists. In total, around 600,000 people die each year in the U.K. It would be unbelievable if half of those people died because they didn't receive medical care in time.
The article has merit, but the headline is total clickbait.
Thank you
The number dying on waiting lists jumped 15 per cent at the start of the pandemic in 2020, and carried on rising in 2021 and last year.
How many with covid?
The figures do not specify how people died, or whether the death was related to the care they were expecting from the NHS. The data also does not contain ages or medical conditions.
So, are more people dying on waitlists because there are just more people on waitlists?
Any other country comparisons? I know other European countries like Germany have way more emergency beds than the UK and the UK govt spends one of the lowest amounts on healthcare as a % of GDP in the G7
Either way, it's going to take a fuck ton of money to get back to where the NHS was pre Cameron and all the other twats
I honestly don’t understand how this metric is useful.
It seems to just be a surrogate for ‘how many people who died knew they were at risk.’
If we have a virus with no symptoms and people just immediately drop dead, this metric would plummet since people who died weren’t expecting it.
If we all got cancer tomorrow from something released in the atmosphere, this metric would skyrocket due to us all seeking care… even if the cancer took a decade to actually kill anyone.
Covid seems more like the second case than the first… so of course the number went up.
TBF I think the rot set in long before Cameron. They just accelerated it.
Quite a roller coaster ride
Didn't Thatcher say that Cameron was her priest achievement? I'm sure she had something to do with it.
No she said Tony Blair and new labour where her greatest achievement.
Social murder
Bearing in mind it's all a bunch private firms wearing an NHS hat, I would argue corporate murder.
My dad died of legionnaires disease in an NHS hospital because G4S said it was too expensive to replace the legionnaires infested water system, or to install taps that could filter out the legionnaires. This was on a cancer ward for immunocompromised patients. This is a repeated problem at this particular hospital too. The John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxfordshire
So yeah, my dad died to protect some shareholder's dividends.
That's terrible, but it's not like similar mistakes don't happen in publicly run hospitals. There doesn't appear to be clear and compelling evidence that private hospitals are any worse than public hospitals in the U.K. Studies repeatedly find mixed results at best [see citations below]. I am generally opposed to public services being privatised, but if the level of care is better for the same cost, I support it. The issue, as outlined by Kruse et al. (2018), is the incentive structure. With private hospitals responding more efficiently to financial incentives, it becomes critical that policy carefully align public health outcomes with financial incentives.
thats messed up. our condolences
So from the stats in the article, over 30% of all deaths were people on a waiting list