I'm still utterly disgusted that the western media present this as anything other than state-backed terrorism.
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Western media and a bunch of people here on Lemmy. "You don't get it these were extremely targeted"
Oh? So the deaths and injuries of children and other civilians was purposeful?
I think the NYT podcast used the word 'aimed an attack at Hezbollah' which is certainly a choice to describe a bombing requiring no aim
I mean... yeah, I do believe their bombing of Gaza is also extremely targeted.
It's just a question of who you target.
It was targeted at Gaza what more do you want? /s
And even if it hadn't been as indiscriminate as it was, imagine the terror everyone around them must have (and likely continue to) experienced after seeing the person standing next to them in the grocery store suddenly have their goddamn legs blown off.
This is exactly how you create millions of more "terrorists," and Israel knows exactly what they are doing. Just another generation who (understandably) wants to enact revenge with whatever means they may have, so Israel can give a plausible excuse to obliterate them with Western munitions.
Rinse and repeat.
I can understand why the people who performed the attack consider it to be "extremely targeted". All accounts that I have read say that these pagers were used directly by Hezbollah as an alternative to cell phones, which they believe the IDF have the ability to track. I haven't seen any reputable source claiming that these pagers were in use by the general population. So they consider these attacks targeted at Hezbollah, because only Hezbollah members should have had them.
They were not intending to target children or other civilians, but of course when something goes off at a random time like this there is no guarantee that only the targets are in possession of these devices.
However, I think the attack will end up actually harming Israeli security, for two reasons:
First of all, they put too much explosive stuff in it. If it were a smaller explosion (or even just a short circuit leading to device failure), fewer people would have been hurt, and they would have more claim to say they were targeting communications infrastructure. But if the explosions were smaller, the attack would not have gotten into the news. I think they made the explosions larger than necessary just to make headlines, without regard to collateral damage. I think that's the part that would get any other country into hot water as a war crime.
But more importantly, they have proven to Hezbollah that Israel cannot track these closed pager networks, otherwise they would not have needed to blow them up! So now Hezbollah has learned to open up every pager before deploying, and once they source more devices they have their secure network back.
So in a few months, Israelis will be in a less secure position than they were before the attack, just because some of their leaders wanted to make headlines.
Pagers are a civilian object though.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule12
There was no way to know where these people would be when the bombs went off. Israel could have detonated at night, to minimise the chance of civilian casualties. They didn't. During busy markets.
This was literally textbook terrorism, and against international law (see link).
Exactly this. I don't understand why nobody seems to want to talk about everyone that witnessed this shit and the sheer terror that they are most likely still experiencing.
Which was the point.
Do you think more Hezbros would have worn their pagers during the day or when they were asleep?
You know that Hezbollah is a part of their government right? They have seats in their parliament. So even if they just attacked "Hezbollah" they attacked politicians, politicians in their homes with their families. If anyone directly targeted U.S. governors or congresspeople, or godforbid knesset members, all of the same people would be screaming murder and terrorism from the tops of hills. This is blatant racism.
Well, considering the ongoing genocide has been a "dangerous situation with a high risk of escalation" for almost a year now, it's not very surprising their state-sponsored terrorist attack is merely a James Bond-esque intelligence strategy.
Its was targeted strike on members of the terrorist group Hezbollah, its quite literally anti-terrorism.
A targeted strike should not have this much collateral damage.
2-4 collateral damage is pretty good compared to bombs and air strikes.
Literal terrorism. State-sponsored terrorism.
Absolutely, could you imagine if this happened in Israel, thousands of bombs going off indiscriminately?
I mean, it was a pretty well targeted attack.
It really bothers me that we’re (the West) letting Israel get away with so much. First Palestine, then these random terrorist tactics, now Lebanon. And the. People wonder why there’s entire generations and groups of people that hate them.
There’s only one of two end games here that I see. 1) complete genocide of populations or 2) a massive war when people are pushed too far.
I can only think they believe 1 is truly viable so keep pushing where they can.
Isreal wants a war in the middle east to force America's hand. Their main goal is to sway more evangelical Christians to vote for Trump who will wipe every adversarial Muslim country off the map. I'm not saying Biden does not have a hand in the ongoing conflict and genicide in the area. Right now the democrats are the party enabling these atrocities right now. I'll never complain about those that make this fact a sticking point on how they are going to vote. Outside of the globe environmental catastrophe that will doom all humans, I don't see a bigger issue to get behind than stopping an ongoing genicide. I'm voting for the democrats but I'm also protesting against the democratic party that is helping genicide. I'm marching with my fellow Palestinian brothers and sisters. Don't just shout down those with legitimate hangups about voting for Harris/the democrats. Try to understand why they feel that way and push your representatives to publicly support Palestinian rights and now Lebanese rights. Even if the dems win if they don't change course on this issue, we'll all pay one way or another.
I'm curious to see if Gold Apollo will be offered any remuneration for lost brand confidence over this. Their name has been everywhere and they had almost nothing to do with it.