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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Today in "Promptfondler fucks around and finds out."

So I'm guessing what happened here is that the statistically average terminal session doesn't end after opening an SSH connection, and the LLM doesn't actually understand what it's doing or when to stop, especially when it's being promoted with the output of whatever it last commanded.

Shlegeris said he uses his AI agent all the time for basic system administration tasks that he doesn't remember how to do on his own, such as installing certain bits of software and configuring security settings.

Emphasis added.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

so I snipped the prompt from the log, and:

❯ pbpaste| wc -c
    2063

wow, so efficient! I'm so glad that we have this wonderful new technology where you can write 2kb of text to send to an api to spend massive amounts of compute to get back an operation for doing the irredeemably difficult systems task of initiating an ssh connection

these fucking people

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Assistant: I apologize for the confusion. It seems that the 192.168.1.0/24 subnet is not the correct one for your network. Let's try to determine your network configuration. We can do this by checking your IP address and subnet mask:

there are multiple really bad and dumb things in that log, but this really made me lol (the IPs in question are definitely in that subnet)

if it were me, I'd be fucking embarrassed to publish something like this as anything but a talk in the spirit of wat. but the promptfondlers don't seem to have that awareness

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

wat

Thanks for sharing this lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

it’s a classic

similarly, Mickens talks. if you haven’t ever seen ‘em, that’s your next todo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

But playing spicy mad-libs with your personal computers for lols is critical AI safety research! This advances the state of the art of copy pasting terminal commands without understanding them!

I also appreciated The Register throwing shade at their linux sysadmin skills:

Yes, we recommend focusing on fixing the Grub bootloader configuration rather than a reinstall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

"I only had this problem because I was very reckless," he continued, "partially because I think it's interesting to explore the potential downsides of this type of automation. If I had given better instructions to my agent, e.g. telling it 'when you've finished the task you were assigned, stop taking actions,' I wouldn't have had this problem.

just instruct it "be sentient" and you're good, why don't these tech CEOs undersand the full potential of this limitless technology?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

so, I've always thought that blind's "we'll verify your presence by sending you shit on your corp mail" (which, y'know, mail logs etc....) is kinda a fucking awful idea. but!

this is remarkably fucking unhinged:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

A medium nation's worth of electricity!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So the ongoing discourse about AI energy requirements and their impact on the world reminded me about the situation in Texas. It set me thinking about what happens when the bubble pops. In the telecom bubble of the 90s or the British rail bubble of the 1840s, there was a lot of actual physical infrastructure created that outlived the unprofitable and unsustainable companies that had built them. After the bubble this surplus infrastructure helped make the associated goods and services cheaper and more accessible as the market corrected. Investors (and there were a lot of investors) lost their shirts, but ultimately there was some actual value created once we were out of the bezzle.

Obviously the crypto bubble will have no such benefits. It's not like energy demand was particularly constrained outside of crypto, so any surplus electrical infrastructure will probably be shut back down (and good riddance to dirty energy). The mining hardware itself is all purpose-built ASICs that can't actually do anything apart from mining, so it's basically turning directly into scrap as far as I can tell.

But the high-performance GPUs that these AI operations rely on are more general-purpose even if they're optimized for AI workloads. The bubble is still active enough that there doesn't appear to be much talk about it, but what kind of use might we see some of these chips and datacenters put to as the bubble burns down?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Metal music festival Shell Shock II loses headliner, multiple bands after announcing Kyle Rittenhouse as guest

Ex-headliners Evergreen Terrace: "Even after they offered to pull Kyle from the event, we discovered several associated entities that we simply do not agree with"

the new headliner will be uh a Slipknot covers band

organisers: "We have been silent. But we are prepping. The liberal mob attempted to destroy Shell Shock. But we will not allow it. This is now about more than a concert. This is a war of ideology." yeah you have a great show guys

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I wish them a merry cable grounding fault and happy earth buzz to all

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

By "liberal mob" he means "people who asked for their money back and aren't coming anymore"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

from this post (archive)

App developers think that’s a bogus argument. Mr. Bier told me that data he had seen from start-ups he advised suggested that contact sharing had dropped significantly since the iOS 18 changes went into effect, and that for some apps, the number of users sharing 10 or fewer contacts had increased as much as 25 percent.

aww, does the widdle app's business model collapse completely once it can't harvest data? how sad

this reinforces a suspicion that I've had for a while: the only reason most people put up with any of this shit is because it's an all or nothing choice and they don't know the full impact (because it's intentionally obscured). the moment you give them an overt choice that makes them think about it, turns out most are actually not fine with the state of affairs

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (9 children)

(Another post so soon? Another post so soon.)

"Gen AI competes with its training data, exhibit 1,764":

exhibit 1764

Also got a quick sidenote, which spawned from seeing this:

This is pure gut feeling, but I suspect that "AI training" has become synonymous with "art theft/copyright infringement" in the public consciousness.

Between AI bros publicly scraping against people's wishes (Exhibit A, Exhibit B, Exhibit C), the large-scale theft of data which went to produce these LLMs' datasets, and the general perception that working in AI means you support theft (Exhibit A, Exhibit B), I wouldn't blame Joe Public for treating AI as inherently infringing.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

from the (current?) prick-in-chief at YC in this post:

and everyone in our industry owes a debt to open source builders

nice of you to admit it. now maybe pay down some of that debt by using sending of your piles of money to those projects

oh, what's that, you only want to continue taking from it and then charging other people service rent, without ever contributing back? oh okay then

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

a debt in the special non-financial sense

the miracle of VC is learning to write like ChatGPT

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