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And what category does the PS2, Wii, Xbox, Nintendo DS/3DS fit into? They aren't retro, but they're not really "modern" either

Edit:sorry about posting 4 times, it kept telling me that it had a correction error

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think of "retro" as pixel-based and early 3D games that were sorta killed during the PS1/Saturn/N64 era.

Once we get into more advanced 3D / Polygonal games (PS2/GameCube/Xbox), it's a different era; but it's not due to the visual shift alone, but the design philosophy and craft/code itself. I would consider them "modern" and point to series like Zelda as an example.

Games like WindWaker feel more connected to Breath of the Wild than it does to Link to the Past or even Ocarina of Time. And I think the same goes for series like Mario, Metal Gear, and so on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not interested drawing a hard line at a year or system. Something is retro if it feels old.

Once upon a time PS2 was new but now it feels old (and looks garbage compared to new games) so it's retro.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Personally, for me PS2 era and older is retro for sure. There is a clear distinction where many PS3 games share similar feeling with modern games, while my PS2 ones feel from a past time. We also still had things like memory cards, altrough obviously not all consoles in that generation do. Still, I would put generations on one line, as most console games where ports of the same game across consoles of the same generation, so then that's the last generation with these kinda old ways of storing. PS2's gen is also the last generation console games where completely different from PC, and in my childhood gaming up to then wasn't mainstream but a nerd hobby, causing it to have a very different community. With the generation of the PS3, all of that changed to modern standards.

PS3 and DS I'm a bit in dubio about. Whenever I feel bored with modern games, PS3 and my (3)DS are on the list of "old" consoles I grab back to (together with PS2, PS1, and recently GBC/GBA which I'd consider retro for sure). On the other hand, at least half the games released on it are games I still play on my PC as "modern games". DS is extra hard, as I barely distinct between 3DS as DS in my mind, unless it's using the GBA port for stuff. After all, I play them on the same console and the transition was quite smooth between the DS models making it not feel like a huge gab, unlike the PS2 to PS3. But at the same time, early DS is much older than late 3DS, which I would consider too new for sure.

Anything after that, modern for sure.

(One of) the biggest tech sites in my country uses "at least two generations old" as definition, making PS3 the last retro generation currently. I like it because it fits my usage, but as said I'm a bit in dubio about actually calling the PS3 retro. It doesn't feel old fashioned enough. I mean, that would technically make Skyrim retro. But that's definitly one of those games that are in my "modern gaming" list on PC and Switch...

I can at least personally attest that PS3 is currently the newest gen where people either think you're awesome for buying it now because they get the fun of old stuff, or stupid because they think the old stuff is crap and only the new is cool. For that reason I would agree to allow it on retro places, as modern gaming places just wouldn't appriciate it at all while people who are already into older stuff do on a somewhat regular basis. But that doesn't make it truly retro per se, and it really should take over or be all you use.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm... An interesting thing I've noticed is a lot of people seem to put the DS and 3DS together in their head as if the difference is minimal, but I've tried them both (tough i only own a 3DS) and it feels to me like two entirely different experiences, like the jump from NES to SNES, hell, we went from the largest games on the DS being <1Gb to the largest on a 3DS being almost 4Gb

It's something I never really understood...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not really sure I consider anything retro? Old tech ends up still getting supported, just by indie hobbyists. But outside of that I guess XB360 and below since it's not being produced anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

~15 years is the arbitrary cutoff that feels right to me, despite how old it is continuing to make me feel

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally I classify everything older than 30 years (in video gaming) to be retro-gaming i my mind! So even the first Pokémon games are retro to me :)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@InkstainTheBat most people draw the line at about ~3 console generations ago. So now anything in PS2 era and under is considered retro. As people get older, and console generations are longer (see: Switch, PS4) it tends to get a bit messy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The answer is always "whatever generation came before I started playing."

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