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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

First of all, you might as well one would be helping Harris by not voting for Trump lmao. Why would not voting for either help one of them?

Also, while I would have her win if I had to choose between the two, I don't like her at all and wouldn't bother voting if I lived in the USA. The impact of a single vote is so small, even in a swing state, and the chances of one's vote being the decisive one as well, that I really wouldn't place much importance on whether I vote.

Of course upholding a system of social incentives for voting by shaming those that don't vote for your favourite candidate might make sense, I think it also promotes a very toxic political climate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

To convince Greens or Carlins (people who don't vote because the Democrats are still too evil from their point-of-view) to vote for Democrats, you need to understand yourself and them. Once you do that, you'll be able to offer more convincing arguments to support your position.

If you're voting for Democrats, you possibly agree with the following scale of evilness:

  • 10 Hitler
  • 9 Stalin
  • 8.5 Trump
  • 8 Republicans and people who vote for them
  • 7
  • 6
  • ~5-3 elected Democratic party members
  • 2
  • 1 you
  • 0 Jesus

The thing is that Greens and Carlins see the world very differently:

  • 10 people making the biosphere unlivable thru overpopulation
  • 9 factory farmers and commercial fishing companies
  • 8
  • 7 Hitler, Stalin
  • 6
  • 5 George W. Bush, Putin
  • 4 Trump, Republicans, and people who vote for them
  • 3 Gore, Obama, Democrats, and people who vote for them
  • 2
  • 1 Sanders
  • 0
  • -1
  • -2
  • -3
  • -4
  • -5
  • -6
  • -7 them
  • -8
  • -9
  • -10

The Greens' and Carlins' priorities are very different. They may think that choosing to make the biosphere unlivable is the worst thing you can do, because without a biosphere that supports life, nothing else matters.

They may think that torturing trillions of fish to death every year, and enslaving hundreds of billions of animals in torturous conditions every year, is worse than all genocides and wars in all of history combined. They think that supporting even a single genocide is bad.

They may think that given the choice between popular Hitler, popular Stalin, and unpopular Gandhi; they'd rather vote for Gandhi than the popular lesser evil, because that specific evil is omnicidally evil. It's better to vote for good and fail, than it is to vote for evil and succeed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (16 children)

For me its even simpler though. All of these logical shenanigans are the circular energy that fuels the myth around the unchangeable two party system. If people simply voted for the candidate based on their values and policy, literally everyone to a T, it would shatter the two party system into fragments, and we would have to do something to accommodate them.

Thats at least my theory, although I still voted Harris because in my case my vote is in a place that matters. I would say I'm about half and half happy and upset about it but thats the best I could manage with the circumstances.

I do think momentum is building though if we can continue it through the coming years.

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