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What are your thoughts on the Lemmy ecosystem?

I've been trying it out for the last week. I have my own opinions, but I'd like to hear others and see if we have common ideas on what is good/bad/indifferent about the Lemmy ecosystem.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

We have less people, We have a better signal to noise ratio. So far we seem to have been spared the idiot community rules, like the moderators of r/music telling you that you need to go to tip of my tongue to crowdsource a list of songs with a certain theme, well they only accept a very narrow genre of music. Upvotes and down votes don't absolutely sink or blow up a post, you can say something relatively controversial here and not have it get buried.

We have some discoverability problems that they're working on. We're lacking a lot of niche interests. You're not going to find a sub here for every trade and game that exists. A significant amount of our traffic is just posts from other places with a minimum amount of discussion.
Upvotes and down votes aren't magically universal across every node. Some of the smaller fringe nodes can end up with delays and receiving posts.

I stopped reading Reddit At the very beginning of the API wars. It's honestly so much more healthy here.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (8 children)

The strength of many reddit communities is in the people themselves, and unless you're really into Linux or star trek, the people aren't really here.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago

It satisfies my social media addiction, but will be years before it shows up on many search results.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Of course not. People discuss like three topics in here.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Yes. It’s different, but good.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

On the one hand, I find idle browsing on Lemmy to be a lot more enjoyable than reddit. I see more stuff that I've never seen before, and I see less unfunny, uninteresting stuff.

On the other hand: I drew a comic and posted it to what is basically the only Lemmy comic group. I wanted to give Lemmy an honest chance, so that was the only place I shared it. I figured it'd be a nice change of pace since the group is almost entirely reposts from reddit.

My comic started to get some traction, and then the only mod in the only Lemmy comic group removed it for profanity. The profanity in question was the word "balls".

A few days later I mentioned this story on reddit. Someone asked to see the comic, so I posted it to r/comics, and a few hours later it hit the front page of r/all.

So in my opinion, Lemmy suffers from a lot of the same problems as reddit (like petty tyrant mods), and some of those problems are exacerbated by its small size.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Unfortunately not because this place simply isn't big enough to have the niche communities that reddit has. Not to mention the slow pace of the front page.

I've been using a combination of Lemmy and Imgur to replace reddit for the most part. But when I need a question on a specific topic answered by a real human, I still have to go to reddit. That's all I use it for now, though. There's also the fact that Imgur is no better than reddit. No 3rd party apps, and the official app collects all the data it can off your phone and sells it to Facebook. You can block the connection with the DuckDuckGo app, but that doesn't excuse the fact that this is fucked up. (FWIW, the Lemmy app Voyager doesn't sell any of your data. Unsure about others but Sync definitely does.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeach there are only few exceptions where lemmy communities shine through. And its mostly linux or programing related stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

this place simply isn't big enough to have the niche communities

Yeah. Wanted to recommend Lemmy to a friend, but the few topics they were mainly interested in had little to no engagement.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

it's effective for wasting my time in a less frustrating manner, for whatever that's worth

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think Lemmy has steadily been getting better. For having a good conversation, I think this is the best platform, everyone here seems like actual people I would run into irl.

What I think is still lacking is a way to search up anecdotal evidence on something, that I still heavily rely on reddit for. For instance if I type in google "french press coffee brew time" the only valuable results with the in-depth info I'm looking for are usually youtube videos, which are too long, or reddit threads. So I usually just end up adding site:reddit.com for all those type of search results.

But lemmy is getting good. I could see it replacing some info sources for the more tech-y niches I follow in the near future

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Current reddit is not like "reddit" anymore for a while... nothing is forever

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I would say no to me it's more like IRC. Its small enough to be not noticed by influence operations as much and each instance has its own personality just like IRC networks. It's a great mix of local community and access to a wider view points.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Effective? No. Considering the purpose of all internet communities is to grow and have diversity, it's not effective. Aside from the currently low number of users, the fact that you can have the same community in different instances means a community will never grow large enough. Add to that the "you're literally killing children if you're a centrist" people and all the tankies, and what you have here is a leftist circlejerk that will remain small and irelevant enough to suit its need to be an echo chamber without any actual diversity. So maybe it's effective from that point of view? Idk.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Aside from the currently low number of users, the fact that you can have the same community in different instances means a community will never grow large enough.

Isn't [email protected] an example of a community which grew large enough to become the reference?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago

Been on Lemmy a few months now and it feels like moving from shitty Digg to fresh Reddit. I had canceled my account on Reddit even before the last enshitification, and kept just reading. Lemmy feels good enough to participate in posting and commenting. Small is good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I'm honestly more afraid to offer an opinion or ask a question on Lemmy because there's always some high and mighty jackass that thinks they are the final authority on whatever topic and rather than have a discussion, people seem to just resort to name calling.

At least, that has been my experience.

Otherwise I've enjoyed it. It can be a cool place once you figure out how to block the malcontents.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It’s feels to me like how the ancient redditors said reddit worked.

Some servers come closer to reddit like world which copied all the popular subs.

Others are definitely smaller communities, maybe a post or two a day and plenty of discussion.

I feel great about it all so far.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It has been growing, but it depends on the community the people who are submitting posts of each community. It also depends on the engagement of the discussion and whether participation decays or is allowed to decay into toxicity.

I think Lemmy could be doing a lot more than Reddit, like showing who votes what, but people want the ability without the responsibility or transparency. It's ironic because not only is it perfectly visible to the admins, but there are ways you can get a pretty good idea of who's performing them as a normal . It would help not just in the sense of getting a better idea of why or where someone is coming from and prevent false suspicions, but it would also allow you to keep different groups of users whose recommendations might be something you would like to prioritize over other submissions or whose moderation you'd like to favor over the standard. Abusing the transparency would be easy to denounce and moderate, too.

In regards to the modlog, I don't think it's doing enough, the text in the reason field might as well be "word" and the transparency isn't compensating for the lack of a resolution process that many if not all social networks seem to want to skip. There are still things like no notification of mod actions that affected your comments or your user, and some decisions, like allowing mods to ban you, remove some of your comments while allowing others to remain, shaping or serving a narrative without giving you the ability to delete or edit your contributions while the ban is in place, give foreign instances and communities more power than they should have.

There's no way to contest modlog actions within the modlog, and the maturity of the people has been proven to be very, very questionable when they've been outed. It has also adopted reddit's policy of obfuscating the moderator performing an action even though creating an alt is easier than ever and many of them already have them, which works against the supposed commitment to transparency.

But it's very slightly better than reddit's, and there's nothing like shadow bans here. Parting observations, don't feed your carnivore pet vegetables if you aren't prepared to go all the way to seek and get an approved diet and dietary supplements for a bonafide veterinary, and it's funny seeing all the anarchy people not have a problem with the present power imbalance between the users and the leadership within the current system, but then again, they have a nice instance with the label.

Overall, fuck spez.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Less niche topics, but higher quality content

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Partially. I think it's a good drop in replacement for:

  • Anything technology oriented, from software to hardware to what different open source projects are up to, to what tech corporations are doing, and various discussions around ecosystems (the internet itself, specific services like Discord or Reddit or LinkedIn, app stores, social networking, etc.)
  • Funny memes or other humor

It's got pretty good coverage of certain topics:

  • Politics, at least on specific sub topics
  • Science and specific scientific disciplines

It has a few pockets that work for very specific things:

  • Specific TV show or movie franchises (looking at you, Star Trek)
  • ADHD or neurodivergent support/advice
  • Noncredible Defense is actually here. Love it.

And it's just missing a bunch of things I loved on Reddit:

  • Sports, especially the unique culture of the NBA subreddit
  • Other specific interests in television, film, music, or other cultural interests.
  • Local things in specific cities
  • Finance and economics stuff
  • Lots of specific interests/hobbies are missing, or just aren't as active.
  • Advice/support for career/work life, especially specific careers (in my case, the legal industry and life as a lawyer)
  • Advice/support relating to personal relationships, from parenting to dating to very specific support forums for things like divorce or cancer. Even what does exist here is disproportionately neurodivergent, so the topics of focus seem to be pretty different than what would be discussed in other places.
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I like using both

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

As much as I'd like it to be, it doesn't have the network effect/popularity that Reddit does. It covers maybe 70-80% of my Digg+ needs, but there are many topics/subs I want that Lemmy just doesn't have.

"Be the change you want to see" is always there: if a topic/sub doesn't exist, you can always create it yourself. But no good deed goes unpunished, so you're now the owner/moderator...

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Yeah on Reddit at this point it feels to me by bots for bots. Maybe the bots here are just better but it feels more human.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

What do we mean by effective?

One might say that the effectiveness of reddit is its niche communities that allow each and every user to find somewhere they feel like they belong. Not only this, the complexity of niches gives rise to interesting information that bubbles to the surface and front page of the platform where more users have exposure. One might contribute this to the quantity of users on reddit's platform, and also the discoverability of the platform itself.

Personally, I think Lemmy is decently effective now aside from the saturation in political and tech news and memes. I think things will get better as for-profit companies squeeze more and more people out of their platforms, and people look to alternatives rather than dropping their digital consumption habits.

I do think discoverability is still a downfall of Lemmy, from both internal and external views. I want to better find /communities from inside the platform and via a search engine should my use and value of Lemmy increase. Wonder how development has gone on this front.

Ultimately, the FOSS nature of Lemmy is one of its greatest strengths. It can improve over time, ripping features from the big players without the destiny of being killed eventually if not profitable. I think this characteristic alone gives rise to the potential of Lemmy to be very effective over time.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

If you're looking for hundreds of microcommunities, lots of activity by the hour from anyone or anything .etc then Lemmy is not going to do it for you. We're a year in and Lemmy's userbase is basically a piss of a squirt to Reddit's volume. And that could get at you if you're someone that just needs something to read or want some interactivity whereas Lemmy is just more of a stop and then go kind of approach.

[–] Omgboom 13 points 5 days ago

This biggest thing that helped me was putting the app icon in the same spot on my phone as my old reddit app

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