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cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4262252

A combination of good high-speed internet coverage, high digital literacy rates, large rural populations and fast-growing fintech industries had put the Nordic neighbours on a fast track to a future without cash.

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But Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022 and a subsequent rise in cross-border hybrid warfare and cyber-attacks blamed on pro-Russia groups have prompted a rethink.

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The Swedish government has since completely overhauled its defence and preparedness strategy, joining Nato, starting a new form of national service and reactivating its psychological defence agency to combat disinformation from Russia and other adversaries. Norway has tightened controls on its previously porous border with Russia.

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[Norway's] justice and public security ministry said it “recommends everyone keep some cash on hand due to the vulnerabilities of digital payment solutions to cyber-attacks”. It said the government took preparedness seriously “given the increasing global instability with war, digital threats, and climate change. As a result, they’ve ensured that the right to pay with cash is strengthened”.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We have cash?

o_O

Haven't used it for years.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

It's still legal tender so they have to accept it. They don't like it, but they do. Last time I visited Norway I held up the line at the grocery store trying to buy candy with cash that had been gifted to me. I'm not sure the cashier knew what to do with it.

Edit: many people telling me they are not required. From what I could find, cash is still "tvunget betalingsmiddel", but there are some broad exceptions. Ref. So, I don't think I was out of line expecting to pay cash at the grocery store. However, that was the only time I paid cash when I visited last time, so yeah, it's basically cashless already.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Shops in Sweden very often state that they don't accept cash - and it's perfectly legal for them to make that choice.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

legal tender

As far as I understood it in the last 20 years, it is only legal tender for debt facing the goverment. No private business has to accept cash. They do not have to accept cards either. If they wish, they could demand payments only in acorns or bottle caps if they wanted to. Only govermental Institutes (eg. for taxes, fines, etc.) have to always accept cash so you can always free yourself from outstanding debits without needing a bank account as bank wiring or credit cards are a private 3rd party business that can not be guaranteed for every citizen (as banks can arbitrary decline service to people).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

At least in Germany legal tender means "valid for payment of any obligation", also private ones. But if a shop says "we don't accept cash" then they're not entering a sales contract with you unless you agree to pay in another way, without contract no payment obligation to them so they're not required to accept anything, and if there is a contract, well, you agreed to the terms.

I don't think the same would fly for e.g. rental or utility contracts, though. Any contract that isn't agreed upon and fulfilled while you're standing in front of the cashier.

[–] shortwavesurfer 1 points 17 hours ago

Thankfully, Monero denies nobody

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

They do not have to accept it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I took a bus in Malmö over ten years ago (on the seaside to the railway station), they didn't accept cash or card, only some mobile payment. Got a free ride.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Sweden is otherwise cool with having a zero privacy payment system? I'm a little Suprised this made it that far even there. When I see a business that says it does not accept cash, I stay away even if I wasn't planning to use cash anyway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

We have much tougher GDPR laws so I am more worried about American companies stealing my data than any based in the EU. I use different passmails for every account hoping to find a company breaching GDPR but (luckily?) unluckily, no hits so far.

Every company I have worked for, including a major bank, takes GDPR extremely seriously. So much so I often thought they went to far but understand their caution.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Basic privacy is expected and followed, not everywhere is like the US where you're getting fucked over constantly.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

This would suck so bad. My debit card's chip went bad and the bank can't reissue me a new one until it expires. I've been using cash as a fallback when I don't want to do the '3 chip failure timeout then swipe' dance just to purchase some soda.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Yeees! Great! I like cash.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Meanwhile in Denmark: FULL STEAM AHEAD! Next stop on the digitalisation train, all of your identification papers!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago

Funny way to say people dont like the idea of having all financial privacy ripped away from them.

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