Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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actually awesome and fast search engine (depending on which instance you use) with no trashy AI and ADs results also great for privacy, if you don't know which instance to use go to https://searx.space/ and choose an instance closest to you
I have it running on my server, and honestly... I almost love it more than kagi. Still evaluating both, to make a decision by the end of the year.
It's ok at best, when it works. When it runs out of API hits for the day at noon, you need to use something like https://searx.neocities.org/ and retype your search multiple times until you manage to hit an instance that can actually perform a search.
Also, no suggestions.
The best thing is to self host it, to have better uptimes and custom default settings
Did anyone else not know Lycos was still around? Lycos is still around. Seems not that bad. No AI stuff.
Using it on my own server since... Ages ☺️ Can only recommend it. Even though google's results are often... Weird up to completely unhelpful.
Dig out old PC from somewhere, install some Linux distribution, Tailscale and Docker/Podman, and install SearX that way.
What if you want to use the computer for something other than Google searching?
Install the other stuff on it
I checked it out, but most of the public instances I looked at use google + bing. I think I only came across one that used Mojeek, but they deranked it so google results were still at the top.
Yeah you can customize them -- if you never clear your cookies.
Pretty much need to self-host it to customize it.
if you never clear your cookies.
They allow you to use a link instead for saving settings, which can also be used to set as your default search engine
I'd use it if its public instances didn't get rate-limited so often
I mean it's often better than nothing, but it is a meta search that still often uses Google or Bing to gather results. IMHO, cut off the need for that data on the whole and use an option like Mojeek
For all their talk of doing things different with their own index and rankings. Mojeek is following exactly what Google did. It's still an ad based business model that makes users into products to be sold to advertisers. They're good now, while still trying to build market share. But once their investors get hungry, the enshitification will commence.
we make money mainly from our api, our investors are patient private capital and we don't take vc, appreciate your point but these are fundamentally different situations, our ads (when they run) will also be contextual so more of a ddg situation than a "makes users into products to be sold to advertisers"
fair enough if it's not for you though
API index access is an important difference.
If it was only that, without public facing ad driven search, I'd be more impressed.
Maybe if you removed the adds, and severely rate limited your own public facing search, so it's more of a demo than an actual service. This would force you to solely make money off the API access, without directly competing against those customers.
That would be an honest buisness model. One that doesn't turn users into eyeballs for advertising. Which seems to me, to be the most insidious problem of the modern internet, and its effect on society generally.
I don't know if the comparison is inaccurate.
You make money from advertising to your users ("ddg situation" notwithstanding), are beholden to your investors (private status notwithstanding) and need to see more users to increase revenue. The person above you is saying that this model is what will drive you to eventually be as bad as Google. Do you understand?
Do you have topics that are censored? I searched for my reddit post "what I've learnt from the mantis aliens", and it does not show up in your results. Neither at google's. But it does on other search engines. The ufo/alien stuff are censored in most search engines, while there isn't a reason to be. That is how I judge search engines. And Mojeek doesn't give me the results I asked for.
Mojeek is cool, but trying to search something in my first language results in 0 results find.
which language are we talking?
The homepage took 5 seconds to load. I'll pass.
Let me tell you about waiting for AskJeeves to load up in the 90s.
Web crawler indeed
not sure what's happening there for you, speed is one of the things which people frequently say we do well for
Not at all for me
Mojeek reminds me of early Google results which only searches title and inurl I like it
~~You can use Mojeek with SearX~~ Nvm with nothing enabled but Mojeek returned no results, I wonders why is that?
~~I could be wrong but didn't Mojeek also index results from Google and Bing?~~ I'm wrong they index their own results, I mean Qwant is a search engine built in EU and they index their own results
qwant is bing, mainly
If you are on a desktop, you can run it locally, you are much less likely to be rate limited, but this comes at cost of your ip being still visible to google or whatever search engine you choose to scrape from
IP addresses are not some super-secret PII. You don't have to try to hide it unless you don't want to reveal the country you're in. You can also proxy SearXNG through tor. Though Google wouldn't work then, and of course search time increases as well.
It's your queries + your IP combined with the rest of the data the net collects from you that identifies you.
Your IP is waay down the list on the fingerprint vector. Go to fingerprint.com, connect to a VPN, hard refresh the page. They'll know you're the same person. Nobody uses IP to fingerprint people. SearXNG mitigates a lot of the things that they actually use.
I completely agree with you, and what i wrote was in haste, essentially, what i wanted to say, was that an individual running searxng does not provide the anonymity benefits you would get by using some public instance, but it it still better because you are not directly using google or whatever website, and now searxng kinda acts like a browser between you and them, which does limited conversation - there aren't any js based fingerprinting. I also use searxng locally, i cant stand the constant rate limiting of public servers, or sometimes only a few engines are blocked, and variation in result quality is unacceptable to me. I just wanted to add that bit for transparency,
i get a lot of simpsons pictures in the image results for some rsn
same here but with hentai on searx.be
Some raisin
Some resin
have been using it for a while on my mobile and so far i like it better than ddg or startpage
How is it compared to DDG?
I never use DDG before, but I think it's pretty similar since DDG and SearX index their results from Bing (SearX and also index from Google, qwant... if you enable them), but SearX is decentralized and open source but DDG at core is not, you also have to trust DDG with your info (who know? maybe they lie about their privacy policy but I hope not)
a lot more search results, but they are ordered in a very weird way. it lists subdomains first, then the main domain
It's pretty nice. The REST API for running searches makes running SearxNG worth it, if nothing else.
Could you elaborate on what you mean by that?