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[–] [email protected] 153 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

I like all the comments ready to take a fisting in the ass from Microsoft just to keep Windows 10.

If you raised a fucking stink instead of taking this shitty deal, they may be forced to keep supporting it for free anyway like they did with Windows 7.

They've really got you guys cowed into paying for the convenience of getting fucked, don't they?

This is a company with a market cap of $3.04 trillion and you guys are just gonna bend over and take it for $30 bucks? Wew lad. They don't need your fucking thirty dollars, and you fucking know it. It's a god damned shakedown.

Microsoft: Wouldn't it be a shame if your computer was somehow insecure and got hacked?

Sounds like a Mafioso showing up for protection money to me.

EDIT: There's still about 700 million Windows 10 PC's still on the market. If every single existing Windows 10 machine paid for this service, Microsoft would make $21 billion dollars next year off this alone. It's a shakedown, do the fucking math. (700,000,000 x $30 = $21,000,000,000) Even if only half do it, it's still a cool $10.5 billion.

EDIT II: This also normalizes the practice of paying for security updates for consumers. You really want to take us down that path where every security update is paid?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Microsoft: heh heh heh, looks like you'll be paying me $30 for that windows 10 installation.

Me: Bitch, I'm on Windows 7, and keep ignoring the OS bitching at me to turn the firewall on!

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

if that is connected to the internet, its probably infested

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

It's fiiiiiiine! What's the worst that could happen?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago

It would make sense if Microsoft was liable for any security faults. I’d actually pay for something like that but of course you’re probably paying for some nebulous promise of something between security at best effort basis and whatever they feel like.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 weeks ago

The last usable windows, maybe

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Hmm, but did they say the last version of Windows, or the last version of Windows you're going to buy? And if it's the latter, is the upgrade to Windows 11 free? If yes, then technically it's still correct.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I just wish I could buy a copy of windows 11 that didn't have any telemetry or AI.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Remember when Billiam Gates said nobody would ever need more than 640kb of RAM?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 weeks ago

Yup, then Javascript was invented

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Considering that when people paid $100 for that OS they were told that it would be the "last Windows to be released", shouldn't there be a class action lawsuit?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

They weren't told that, that was an off-hand comment by an employee (not even a spokesperson) that the media took and ran with. Source:

Right now we're releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we're all still working on Windows 10.

I think they meant "latest" not "last."

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

For what it's worth

"Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers," says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. "We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations."

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago

Windows will be delivered as a service

Which is largely true, there have been a number of "service packs" that were released as regular updates throughout the Windows 10 lifespan. So it definitely seems they want people to not think about the specific Windows version they're on. From that article:

Microsoft could opt for Windows 11 or Windows 12 in future, but if people upgrade to Windows 10 and the regular updates do the trick then everyone will just settle for just "Windows" without even worrying about the version number.

Windows 7, for example, had one major service pack, with a few isolated updates, whereas Windows 10 had a major update about every 6 months, and each one of those checkpoints was supported for about a year and a half. The final update was at the end of 2022, and it's support runs 3 years.

So yeah, I think they met what they said, but the messaging wasn't particularly clear how long that support would be provided for.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

“Enrolled PCs will continue to receive Critical and Important security updates for Windows 10; however, new features, bug fixes, and technical support will no longer be available from Microsoft,” explains Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft.

Don’t threaten me with a good time.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Anyone who's had to open a Microsoft support ticket can assure you technical support is already not available from Microsoft.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 weeks ago (10 children)

$30 to not have to deal with Windows 11 for another year feels like the deal of the century.

I love how they're like 'but you won't get new features!'. They may have still not figured out that nobody cares about 'new features' being stuffed into the OS, but I guess you can't have everything.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Windows hasn't added any features of value since Windows 7.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean, the HDR support and multi window snapping, as well as remembering window positions on multiple displays.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Counterpoint, if you have two monitors with different DPI scaling, window dimensions get butchered when moving between them

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Wait. They want me to pay for something I already paid for?

Well guess my $2.5k new windowless machine is looking better everyday.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (5 children)

Why l would pay 30$ to dumpester fire OS to use it securely for another year when l could install Linux for free with more than 7 year security?

And consumers can only pay for single year.

It just shows how M$ doesn't care about their costumers treating them like lab rats.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

I switched to Linux myself but can we please stop lying about Linux being a drop-in replacement? There is enough sofware that does not work.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 weeks ago (26 children)

A lot of Linux users here think the conversation begins and ends with game support. A lot of us use our computers for work and there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not play nice with Linux. I've probably said this a dozen times here before but I'll say it again: Not all of us use our computers solely for gaming.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm a Linux user and I think the conversation should be:

More than half (over 60% ackshually) of Windows PCs in service are still Windows 10. Windows 11 barely cracks 34%.

People should boycott this and demand that Microsoft offer long-term support for Windows 10 like they did Windows 7 and stop trying to force Windows 11 on consumers through dark patterns like this. We have a year to make a huge about this deal in public spaces. This is the kind of thing the reddit userbase used to excel at getting word out about. Enough public outcry over a year could force the issue.

They made their own bed with the arbitrary TPM 2.0 requirement. They can drop that and they'd probably have more adoption of 11 overnight. These are business choices Microsoft is making, while ignoring the reality on the ground for a lot of people who never upgraded to something with a TPM 2.0 chip. It's a choice to and a dark pattern to push them to upgrade.

I am kind of sick of the Linux users acting superior instead of being helpful to people stuck with Windows due to work environments, too.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 weeks ago

Thank you for your service to Linux adoption o7

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago

Microsoft got the grift of a century. Make Win11 so bad that people will literally pay you NOT to force them onto it! /s

Seriously though, fuck Microsoft - $30 per year to roll out the occasional security update is obscene! They can go stuff themselves with their $3 trillion market cap

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Can I give them 50 dollars and not have to use windows at all?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Better yet: you don't have to pay Microsoft at all to make the switch!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Still cheaper than my Arch Premium membership

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fuck that. I already paid for the Pro edition of 10 specifically for features Windows 11 doesn't have in any version. IDGAF if it's free; it's not an upgrade. It's a downgrade.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I m a Linux user for 10 years now and well.... I just wanted to say that, bye

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

How about I not pay and take my chances...

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (4 children)

If you’re somewhat tech savvy, don’t have anything against the high seas and absolutely need Windows, look into Windows 10 LTSC.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (3 children)

If Microsoft wants to buy me a new computer to get me off Win10, they're more than welcome to.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

My company has absolutely no plan for the end of Windows 10. I bet they'll rather throw money at MS than come up with some kind of strategy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Look at it this way, $30 per machine is a helluva lot cheaper than mitigating whatever 11 will break.

Not to say don't update, but Enterprise works on this stuff in advance, testing their systems with the newest versions as their Betas are released, to develop their mitigation strategies (including staged deployments).

Even there, $30 is cheap insurance if they need a little extra time to address issues.

For the home user, fuck that. Just ensure your security model includes layers, e.g. Don't run as admin, isolate systems that are at risk, etc.

Hell, at home I run different VLANS for my own stuff (cause I do risky things), one for TV (because those things are terrible about security), another one for everyone else, and a guest network.

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