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"continuing to push the boundaries of consent."
If by "push the boundaries" you meant "completely ignore them", then yes. This kind of behavior from MS, or any vendor, should always be considered strictly unacceptable.
This kind of behavior from MS, or any vendor, should always be considered strictly unacceptable.
Yep but especially from MS since their OS is just so incredibly widespread that they pretty much have a monopoly that they abuse.
Ran into this about two weeks ago. It can be turned off.
Here's the setting to change. It's under File -> Options -> Advanced
God I hate Windows and their dance with monopolistic behaviour. They’ll bring out a “feature” that changes how a program works so you have to change it back, in the hopes that most people don’t do it. They keep doing it with browsers because they siphon away enough users each time that it’s worth it for them.
Windows should have a default browser choice in settings, and any program you use should automatically use it no matter what, unless you physically change it yourself. It shouldn’t even be possible for them to do. I really need to learn how to use Linux. I’ve got a spare SSD. Fuck it
Linux is not even difficult to use and there is no telemetry slowing down the hardware you paid for and feeding some greedy org with your user data. Ubuntu desktop is perfectly fine as a daily driver as long as you don't use it for gaming or windows apps through Wine. Thats when it becomes more complicated and error prone.
That is a terrible dark pattern. "Let me just change the defaults away from the option that literally is the default setting (default browser) to the thing I want users to use instead".
Straight up maliciously ignoring "default browser".
It's fucking annoying, admittedly edge is good on its own merits, but you know what pushes me to not want to ever use your product? Anti-consumer practices.
I have been very happy in using FF for my main browsing. It has adblock, NoScript and SponsorBlock. Since I use NoScript I jump on Edge when I want to use a trusted website for payments but I really want to use it less when it does this shit.
I can't wait for the excuse "OoOooh wooooops, that's a bug! Sowwy EU we did not mean to do anti consumer pwactices" as a way to dodge blame
Using Firefox is the only real way to circumvent much of the bloat of the modern web. UBlock only works 100% functionally on Firefox, Chromium-based browsers just don't give add-ons the functionality that they need to block 100% of nasties. Until that changes (which it likely won't) I see no reason to switch off Firefox.
I've been using edge since the first chromium beta. I'm considering moving to firefox just out of spite.
Firefox is great! I have never been to a website where it doesn't work, and the future of the internet relies on people ditching chrome based browsers (don't kid yourself, chromium = supporting chrome and monopolistic companies)
It's much better. I don't miss Chrome at all. Also f Google.
Outlook has a separate setting for opening links. It's very sneaky:
https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/outlook-hyperlinks-edge-default-browser/
Remember when Microsoft got raked over the coals for this kind of behavior, in the 90s?
Remember how bored everyone got of ignoring news about the massive issues in the 90s that still affect everyone? You still can't bring it up without people's eyes glazing over. Drives me nuts that people just don't give a shit.
Something something antitrust. Something something browser choice. Microsoft is just asking to be fined €1 billion. Really, someone needs to make a big stink about it in Europe because they'll act before the US does.
Microsoft is just asking to be fined €1 billion. Really, someone needs to make a big stink about it in Europe
Good luck. Apple restricting iOS to only use Safari's engine is even worse, yet they haven't gotten in trouble for it. Every browser on iOS is Safari under-the-hood. At least Microsoft always let you install other browsers.
I tried using outlook this year for the first time in 15 years, and immediately NOPED the fuck out when I noticed it displayed ads in-line with my inbox.
And then there are those rumors that they want to display ads in the settings panel. Fuck Microsoft, they have ZERO trustworthiness in my book
I unfortunatelly have to use outlook and teams at work. If this really becomes the case, I will both write to EU regulators and try to petition our IT to move away from microsoft teams and potentially outlook.
“This change is designed to create an easier way for Outlook and Microsoft Teams users to reduce task switching across windows and tabs to help stay focused,” says Katy Asher, senior director of communications at Microsoft, in a statement to The Verge. “By opening browser links in Microsoft Edge, the original message in Outlook or Teams can also be viewed alongside web content to easily access, read and respond to the message, using the matching authenticated profile. Customers have the option to disable this feature in settings.”
I don't know if this is a neurodivergent thing but I 500% could never see myself in a position I could say something I knew to be such BS and put my name to it.
Mmm yes, let the snake oil flow through you.
They'd do better finally fixing teams. We're talking years after release, and there's still no option to change my status behaviour. It forces DnD when I get called, it puts me afk after only 5min, ...
Their software does not fundamentally work very well. So even if this bs would be talking about an actual feature, that's some stone age project management right there.
I stopped using Windows and converted to Linux. I'm not going to be "one of those people" and tell you that you should too, but I've been using Linux full-time for 3 years for gaming, work, and personal stuff and never felt the need to go on Windows except to use my VR headset, which I haven't used in months. I just built a new PC and haven't even bothered installing my Windows SSD into it in the last 4 weeks since I built it. I may never and just sell my VR headset.
That sounds illegal, especially since they already lost an anti-trust lawsuit for Internet Explorer browser two decades ago. I guess they have enough power now that they don't have to worry about silly things like laws.
That whole antitrust thing was just the US gov't gaining leverage over MS. Once they got that, MS was forced to enable surveillance on their customers by the gov't. Now that they've "played ball" for all this time, they are being allowed to resume their previous activities.
That's what we call malware!
I'm personally a Firefox user since it has developed to be so much better imo. However I do have to give credit to Microsoft for having imo a better browser than Chrome despite the fact they are both Chromium based.
In the beginning it was a lot better, because ot was basically just Chromium reskinned to look nicer. Now it's much much worse than chrome. It's filled to the brim with popups you can't click away, tracking software, generally slower than firefox in my experienc, and is just all around ugly with microsoft icons everywhere.
I was it-supporter, so I had to click it all away every time I had set up a pc, so I've experienced it a lot.
I'll keep using Firefox until I'm dead or it's dead!
Ran into this yesterday, when my manager opened a link and had to call me to help because it didnt autofill his passwords.
This "productivity increase" cost my corporation 15 minutes the first time anyone ran into it.
Sort of related, but this reminds me of a really annoying thing that’s been happening on my work windows 11 machine.
Any time I launch chrome from VSCode to attach a debugger, edge launches along with it, and directs me to a page that says “try the new bing.”
Absolutely infuriating, makes me want to uninstall edge.
Edge is an OK browser that's rapidly being bogged down with bloatware, just like Chrome which it sought to destroy. I'll keep using Firefox and hope the same thing never happens to it. At least they finally killed off IE.
I switched to thunderbird a little while back when they started adding advertisements that look like actual email into my paid for windows application. Nope.
"Suddenly"? This has been happening for a long time. If you click on outbound links from built-in Windows apps, they used to always open in Edge unless you used a tool named EdgeDeflector to redirect them to your preferred browser. In 2021, they killed EdgeDeflector by making it impossible to redirect links with the microsoft-edge:// protocol baked in, even if you go deep into the registry settings to change this. They will eventually do this to Outlook and Teams too and get away with it, just like they got away with restricting EdgeDeflector.
This caused me to rage quit my emails this morning. I'm going to back to Thunderbird.
This kind of horseshit is CONSTANT with Windows updates. I see customer PCs where I know I've set the default browser to Firefox or Chrome, and lo and behold, suddenly everything is opening in fucking Edge.
Similarly, Outlook on Android began to display ads for me around a week ago. So I'm currently using K-9 mail and Etar.
Oh crap, I thought it was just something I overlooked at work. It has been happening to me too
This happened to me this morning. And because the link was from a work email but I was logged in on my personal account, Edge wanted me to sign in to view it, requiring time-wasted on a 2FA process for no good reason whatsoever (obv I just closed Edge and copied the link over to Firefox).
The loss of productivity is large regardless of which method you choose to view the link. May this be the beginning of the end for Microsoft. I am fuming.
Edge was decent when it was first released. It's ~~slowly~~ quickly becoming the 2023 version of Nero Burning ROM from back in the 2000s. A bloated mess.
In no sense is Edge is a good browser. It is built for ads and tracking, and makes surfing the web inherently unpleasant.
How arent Microsoft engineers annoyed by this themselves?Do they even use the products that they make?