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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 hour ago

As a Linux user for a few years now I have to disagree. My friends who still rely on Windows only software for either school or their jobs use Revision OS and installs it with a tool called playbooks which takes only a few minutes and automatically disables feature updates; only allowing security updates to go through. This makes it so all "system updates" are through the playbook app which is pretty cool, it pretty much makes it a Windows fork and won't revert or break anything when updating

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Ehhh....as a Linux beginner on Ubuntu I disagree... I spent a couple hours trying to get an AppImage application as a desktop icon.

Spent an additional hour or two to mount NAS drives. Fstab?? Wtf.

My secondary monitor flickers to black randomly for a just couple minutes after startup and there's no way I'm going to dig through Wayland to figure out why. Monitor orientation is incorrect on startup and I again don't want to dig through Wayland or whatever cfg file I need to open.....yet.

Still needed to browse at least 5 different sources for answers.

I'm glad Firefox doesn't crash at 500 tabs or w/e but Linux still has issues with some primitive tasks that windows has well figured out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

🤔not sure if it is true frustration or just a great meme

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

True, even user-friendly Linux distros have their pain points. The real difference between Linux and corporate OS products is that you don't periodically need a new version because of a product churn schedule.

[–] kekmacska 3 points 1 hour ago

i will try Garuda. i will not go for the easiest, because i want to improve

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago

Another day another cope post

[–] [email protected] 0 points 38 minutes ago (1 children)

English hard, apparently.

I fucking hate this thing that's becoming more and more common. Obvious bad grammar and spelling mistakes in memes like this, it's become the rule rather than the exception in just the past year. And I'm certain it's rarely not done on purpose, it's the same with post and video titles both here, reddit, youtube etc. It gets clicks and comments and people fucking suck so they do it with no shame.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 minutes ago

Some people make mistakes when typing and miss them while proofreading and sometimes people aren't native English speakers.

If I may ask, which spelling mistakes caught your eye specifically?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

The third route: install Win11 IoT Enterprise LTSC
The fourth route: install Gentoo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Who the fucks tries to debloat windows?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I debloat my windows by using corporate EU windows 🤭but I game on endeavourOS 🤷🏻

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

If you debloat Win10 and 11 your system will run better. Debloaters are aggressive to differing degrees (I recommend Chris Titus), but a lot of things are turned on by default that shouldn't be - like the Xbox service when you don't have an Xbox - using resources for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Although I agree in spirit, there is a bloatfree version of windows 11 called LTSC.

Makes me one happy windows user.

[–] Honytawk 23 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

If it takes you hours to debloat Windows, you better stick with an OS you do know.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 hours ago

Every time I see a Linux user's criticism of a problem with Windows, it's the kind of thing your grandma asks you to fix for her and takes ten seconds 😂

Calling Windows unstable in this day and age is fucking laughable too. If your installation is unstable, it's either you or your hardware

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Android and iOS already replaced Windows for normies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

True - remember Windows phones? Me neither.

[–] Echolynx 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's mind boggling to me how many people don't even use desktops anymore. Or do "serious" things like buy plane tickets on their phone. The younger generation is almost entirely phone-only.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Big purchase. Big screen.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

This won’t be popular but I haven’t had a stability problem on my home Windows 11 pro (server) machine. I disabled online login during first boot setup so maybe that’s why … my network handles telemetry shenanigans so I’m not worried about that. Never bothered to put a Linux on it, which was the plan, since it’s not failed once, it’s been a few years since it was spooled up. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

This is where I am too. Just built a new gaming pc and was planning to do dual boot.

Installed windows 11 LTSC and honestly, it’s everything I want in a gaming pc so I guess no need to install Linux.

Having said that, I bought a pc that came with windows; can’t wait to kill it with fire!

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

I wish I could use Linux at work but the software used does not have any alternative (that I can use) and I can't be bothered with debloating and all that jazz. I try to keep work and private seperate instead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

How modern, I can't believe your computers support Windows 11.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago

My work has a process for requesting software. Over the last five years, I've been slowly getting open source alterntives approved, using them, and telling coworkers they're approved. It's just one super specialized software left.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Tried get my dad to use Linux for his work but had problems with his clients not being able to open the files he sent using the Linux word and Excell programs. So that's clear for him not to use Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

Unless you have an Nvidia card.

I've been on linux for years, I work the Nvidia libraries all the time, I alternate booting wayland and X... I even use my AMD IGP as output these days, instead of the Nvidia card.

And I STILL hold my breath wondering if I'm going to get a blackscreen, and have to go into tty mode or boot from a usb stick to investigate and fix it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Works pretty well on pop!_os (with X) barring some oddities that I'm not even sure are specific to Nvidia cards (like the compositor losing its shit when I try to pop out a video from my browser and put it over a game's window)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I... have had an NVIDIA 2080ti since they are sold (so.. about 6 years?) and use it daily, gaming, using it for selfhosting AI a bit with CUDA and... just works, from gaming to tinkering. I don't get those comments. Sorry you had such a bad experience, it's not mine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Same thing here. There was a big update earlier this year that made it so I can use Wayland, where before that, it was impossible. At this point, I can't tell you the last time I've had any GPU related issues. Further, I believe that Nvidia is now working with Linux for driver support, so it should get even better going forward.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

IF you are a distro hopper try openSUSE, nVidia maintains a repo on their own servers for the SUSE/OpenSUSE drivers. I have not had any GPU issues for 7 years.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

[–] Honytawk 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This one makes a lot more sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

It should be flipped, tho. In my opinion, any “beginner distro” consumes more time in the long run run, compared to the “lightweight” ones (I bet my Arch is way fatter than many beginner distros, lol)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

I love Linux, a lot. I've distro hopped and tinkered to my hearts content. But I can't let windows go, which is why I dual-boot with Windows 11 and currently, Bazzite.

Windows doesn't have the ghub for my logitech mouse and headset. I can't use my plugins for elite dangerous or extra software, like EDMC. Many games don't work for various reasons (anti-cheat, or many other reasons). Can't say, "well don't play those games.". Well, I want to. I like those games, and they don't work on linux.

There is no AMD Adrenaline for my AMD GPU. I can't use frame gen or many other features my card has. Battle.net games just refuse to work for me, try as I might to follow every tutorial ever (I just wanted to play Diablo IV T_T ). Those features are important to me.

OBS is much crappier on linux than on windows, due to no AV1 encoding support. As a streamer, AV1 looks MUCH better than whatever linux obs uses.

And lastly, Windows (even Windows 11), just works with everything. Any software you want, you just install it. On steam you don't have to check proton.db, you're 100% guaranteed for it to work. Any software you see, it works on windows. Any peripherals, just work. All their associated software, works.

I know not everyone games, but it's the highest grossing entertainment market, so it's important to more people than not.

According to a report by SuperData Research, the global gaming market was valued at $159.3 billion in 2020. This includes revenue from console games, PC games, mobile games, and esports. To put that in perspective, the music industry was valued at $19.1 billion in 2020, while the movie industry was valued at $41.7 billion. That means the gaming industry is making more than three times as much money as the music industry and almost four times as much as the movie industry. source

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Battle.net games just refuse to work for me, try as I might to follow every tutorial ever (I just wanted to play Diablo IV T_T ). Those features are important to

Battlenet games just working on Linux and not working on Windows is what drove me to uninstalling Windows

And lastly, Windows (even Windows 11), just works with everything. Any software you want, you just install it.

How did you get Mac apps to run and the Metro desktop on w11? I suppose you can get Gnome Web to work through WSL

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Battle.net for me wouldn’t install in steam as an extra app, it wouldn’t work in heroic, but lutris was happy to do it, and the performance is excellent. Linux mint.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

OBS is much crappier on linux than on windows, due to no AV1 encoding support.

OBS supports AV1 hardware encoding on linux with

QSV (Intel) since 30.0
VA-API (AMD/Intel) since 30.1
NVENC (Nvidia) since 30.2

Software encoding has been supported for longer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

And lastly, Windows (even Windows 11), just works with everything. Any software you want, you just install it. On steam you don't have to check proton.db, you're 100% guaranteed for it to work. Any software you see, it works on windows.

This is not my experience at all. I was recently trying to play Command and Conquer: Tiberian Firestorm, an older RTS on Windows. I own the game through Steam. On Windows, the game wont open. It crashes immediately on launch. If i run the game in XP compatibility mode, it launches but when playing the game there is some sort of microstutter: every unit is blinking, the mouse cursor is blinking, and the game plays at a crawling pace. Also everything freezes whenever you move the camera.

When i boot into Fedora on the same PC, install with steam and launch with Proton, the game works fine. I was even able to install a resolution patch for windows to get higher resolutions available.

I find this to be a pretty common experience for me when trying to play older Windows PC games. There are quite a few I cant seem to get working (or playable) on Windows, but that work fine on Linux. I mostly play older games anyway so for me, Linux is more of a game console OS.

Sorry to hear Battlenet doesn't work for you. D4 is another one i play only on Linux, in thas case because i get some weird graphical artefacts when playing on Windows. I haven't bought the new expansion yet though, maybe after the holidays are over.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

I can’t use my plugins for elite dangerous or extra software, like EDMC.

Why not? The github page even says it will work with wine. I've not played ED for a long time. But, I am sure I had EDDiscovery at least working with it in linux a few years ago. Other games like WoW I have external tools that interface with it working fine, some within the same wine environment, some even external. You just need to make sure the drive is mapped (you can always go via the Z: drive too) where the app expects it.

From my experience, I have steam working and pretty much every game I want to play has worked. I don't play games with kernel anti-cheat even in windows, so I'm not missing anything there. Battle net runs fine even with ray-traced shadows in wow. Pretty much everything else I need works. The only things I miss are the games that are part of XBOX/Windows store, but that's hardly Linux's fault. Maybe visual studio too. But I do have the OSS "Code" to cover most I did in VS so..

I have dual boot, I've not used it to go to windows in weeks. Almost everything just works fine.

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[–] 299792458ms 28 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

Just make them install Arch, I did just fine...

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