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A place to discuss positive changes that can make work more equitable, and to vent about current practices. We are NOT against work; we just want the fruits of our labor to be recognized better.
Our Philosophies:
- All workers must be paid a living wage for their labor.
- Income inequality is the main cause of lower living standards.
- Workers must join together and fight back for what is rightfully theirs.
- We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
Our Goals
- Higher wages for underpaid workers.
- Better worker representation, including but not limited to unions.
- Better and fewer working hours.
- Stimulating a massive wave of worker organizing in the United States and beyond.
- Organizing and supporting political causes and campaigns that put workers first.
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I don't even think that actually touches on the point here. People want purpose, meaningful purpose out of the thing they spend most of their lives on. Unionizing isn't going to give you job satisfaction if you're a data entry operator unless that's something you find fulfilling.
I work in IT and used to be passionate about computers and the internet but now I want to do something else and get away from the grind of IT work, where nothing is ever completed or provides a sense of accomplishment. There's no meaningful purpose in it for my life other than a paycheck.
Unionizing might help with getting better pay for work but in terms of actual purpose, fulfillment and job satisfaction unions are as useful as advocating for a car club when I'm changing my oil. Completely unnecessary and unrelated and doesn't address the goal at hand.
This is something that's an individual pursuit beyond days off and pay.
Transitioning to a system where companies are owned by the workers would help, but ultimately I think this is just a natural consequence of industiral society. We get modern medicine and air conditioning, and in exchange we give up our ability to self-actualize through our work.
I agree with what you’re saying, except I think it touches on that unionizing is the path to being able to say no to additional work (with impunity) and get the most fulfillment from your craft. To feel the familial support of the people you spend 1/3rd of your life around. Your well-being is all tied together. Purpose might not be the right word for it. It was just the word that came to mind. I think it is the right path for most workers.
To defend the rights of your colleagues and your class is a purpose per se (but in the US unions work differently than in my country so I may be missing the point).
Its probably the only way we will be able to fight wallstreet and climate change.
I stopped reading at the phrase "purpose and people officer". I suffered from toxic levels of corporate bullshit when I was younger and I have a strong averse reaction to it now. Someone is getting paid six figures to have a bullshit title like that and it is ABSOLUTELY proof of what is wrong with the corporate class.
HR_LiNdA entered the chat.
Hi! I’m Linda, an AI representative from your HR department!
I heard you’re unhappy with your organization’s new Subject Matter Office for Lifestyle, People and Purpose, or SMOLPP.
It’s natural to be afraid of something new like your SMOLPP, but companies big and small across the planet are happy with their SMOLPP! I’ll send you some world class research material from Deloitte (your organization’s SMOLPP innovation partner, and industry leader) for you to read later!
I’m happy to listen to your comments and concern, or answer any questions you might have about your SMOLPP!
So how can I help you?
Uh, I'm trying to find out if we're getting paid before or after the holiday?
I'm an AI language model and don't have access to specific information about your company's payroll schedule or policies. To find out whether you will be paid before or after the holiday, I recommend reaching out to your human resources department or payroll administrator. They will have the most accurate and up-to-date information regarding your company's payment schedule. They will be able to provide you with the details you need about when you can expect to receive your payment.
I’m an AI language model and don’t have access to specific information about your company’s payroll schedule or policies.
Well, that’s a clear indication that you’re not an LLM — they very confidently assert bullshit they manufacture on the spot.
That's a very complex topic. Consider this list of solutions that I found on google and have massaged to sound relevant and appealing:
Fuck mate, I'd totally give ya gold for your SMOLPP if that was a thing
Someone make a shitty 'lemmy silver' jpeg
Please tell me more about my SMOLPP
purpose is great and all but another tactic is to pay high enough that I take the job.
I hope this trend continue. Fuck slavers
I’ve been in the business factory for 20 years now and Deloitte, as an employer, is widely regarded as hell-on-earth. Sus.
Without naming the firm, I'm a refugee from public accounting.
Back when I was a staff accountant, and we were all making roughly $60k a year, they brought us all into a meeting in the middle of busy season to discuss work/life balance and mental health.
The solution they offered?
Simply hire a full-time live in housekeeper who does laundry and cooks!
That was it. That was the meeting.
Here here! Good work gentleman! Let's go the partner's villa and celebrate with cigars and brandy!
Holy shit that's so outlandish and yet totally believable
Probably, but the article is not wrong, these are huge factors that drive my decisions, and I have flat out told employers in interviews that I take issues with aspect of how companies run. Im sure some roll their eyes, but honestly I dont care, im not going to devalue myself or my ethics just to make them more money.
Yup. Just general sus. The bigger an organization gets the closer it approaches infinite disregard for its employees.
Interested in what you've heard? So far most people I know working at Deloitte love it.
Ditto. I know someone who actively shudders when they hear the name. He repeatedly thanks me from saving him from what he said was actively destroying his soul.
Deloitte staff don’t act totally dead inside (from my experience). EY staff, though, act like they’ve looked inside the abyss and it stared right back at them. That place must be one soulless meat grinder of a business factory.
I have activity not applied for jobs in health insurance since I know my job would be to find the best way for the company to make money. Which I knew would be fine the best method to reject claims.
I'm working for a job now that works makes medicine for pets. I activity did consider how "evil" the company was while looking. I know with corporate life there's a little evil but trying to minimize it
But have you considered how much Return on Investment you can provide shareholders by denying people life at the click of a finger? /S
Honestly, I applaud you: more people should deny these morally bankrupt jobs. But it's sad because some don't have the choice because pressures put on them by our shared reality. This system shakes our humanity, and in turn makes people numb to denying others humanity.
The whole system is set up to make everyone greedy and evil. Since everyone but a few are so desperate.
You just got to find the right amount of evil you can handle for your situation. It's a privilege to get to choose
That's facts right there. Wish more had the choice.
Apparently Deloitte is a shit company to work for.
are people really looking for this level of purpose in their jobs? my job is so i can pay for the things i actually want to do. if the things i wanted to do were free i wouldn't be working.
That doesn't prevent your work from having meaning. Over the years I've had the full range, from purely physical mindless labor to earn a paycheck, to projects that meant so much to me I once responded to a salary requirement with "Hell I'd basically do this for a ham sandwhich".
It took a lot of effort, time, training, and sheer stubbornness on my part, but here I am in middle age, having finally found a work life balance that is just about perfect.
The work I do is interesting, challenging, unique, and has benifit for the entire company and more importantly, my fellow employees.
I could make more by taking different job, but the added stress, hours, and lack of meaning to me doesn't make it worth it.
I could find a more fulfilling job, but likely at a pay cut that would lower my standard of living too much.
The important part to me is, I look forward to my work. I'll work in the evening or on weekends a bit just because I've thought up a solution and the problem solving is fun for me.
Even when I have to do the shit parts of my job, it never wears on me since it's part of a greater whole. While making money is obviously important, and a big part of why I have a job at all, just making money can't be all of it.
Getting home at the end of the day from backbreaking labor, doing work that feels shady, takes advantage of people, or supports an industry that I don't agree with, leaves me feeling a sense of dread about going back the next day. I can't enjoy the time that is mine as much when I know I have to go back to that tomorrow.
As with all things this can be taken to extremes, but I think it's great that young people care about the wider implications of their work, and the value it brings to them.
This can only lead to better working environments, and hopefully, more ethically minded buisnesses.
I'm sorry man that's reallocated sad
Eddit: Really
i get what you mean but it depends what you're chasing. current goal is to get my gf a visa and get married so we can live together permanently.
Yeah, the fact is there are just some jobs that need to exist but don't have a great sense of purpose. Very few peoples "purpose in life" is garbage disposal, but we'd be screwed if everyone gave up sanitation to seek out art or stem fields. If it pays the bills and the workplace culture is good, I'm fine with sacrificing "purpose" in my job so I can bettwr achieve purpose outside of it.
Frankly the crappy jobs nobody wants to do should be the ones that pay the best and offer the most benefits.
Construction, farming, salon workers, landscaping, garbage collection, cleaning, hospice care, meat packing, the people that cleaning port-a-potty’s and airport bathrooms. The crappy menial jobs where companies hire immigrants who speak little to no English and are paid $14.50 an hour.
My family stayed at a hotel during a house cleanup for a month. The hotel cleaning people spoke no English and immediately pulled out the phone to translate. I felt absolutely awful that I could not communicate with them. I felt bad that they had to cleanup after us. We ended hand the person who took our towels and changed the bed at least $10 a day as tip.
When I go to a nail salon to get a pedicure I give at least a 30% tip, closer to 50% as they have to deal with my disgusting feet.
When landscapers come I give them cold water.
My grandmother (lives in Toronto) had a care worker come to her house daily for over a year when she needed help putting on her blood pressure socks. The care giver was an immigrant from Jamaica. She was paid $19 per hour. Her rent skyrocketed during covid and she and her 4 roommates couldn’t afford to live. My grandmother grew up in a small town in Canada where all the money made was used to bring over any family that survived the holocaust. She said she knew what it was like to not to have so my grandmother gave her a few thousand dollars.
My dad is also an immigrant who grew up broke. He said to one of his buddies he tipped extra because an extra $5 would mean a lot more to someone else than him. I don’t know how he is today though (he’s a male Karen/ demands everything and usually it works out/ immigrat poverty mindset). What I do know is he had a business trip to Aparth South Africa once and the clients were pissed off that he had the audacity to pour his on Diet Coke instead of the “servant”.
Seeking purpose at work? Maybe other millenials do, I certainly don‘t.
I seek good coffee, but sadly, cannot find that either.
This completely makes sense. People should reject assignments if they are unethical! It's almost like the young generation is doing the right thing. The horror!
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