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[–] hyper 126 points 1 year ago (2 children)

rehabilitation instead of prison..

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How about if I’m not bothering anybody then don’t even arrest me?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Just gonna leave this PDF of Angela Davis' Are Prisons Obsolete? here.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And not only is the first part necessarily the worst, but once you’re in the system they make it hard to get back out by throwing all sorts of arbitrary requirements on you to fulfill, with little to no flexibility. 10-week class that occurs right in the middle of your work-day? Fuck you. It all serves to essentially keep you in the system as it keeps on fucking with your life. Not to mention prison/jail, which brands you with a permanent scarlet letter that bars you from even working at many jobs even after you’ve gotten out.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Same thing with having one of those breathalyzer things on your car. You have to pay to have it installed, pay a monthly fee in addition to all the other shit you've already paid for. And then you can only go a very few certain places. Makes it incredibly difficult to recover from that. It's not to punish you or keep you off the road after a DUI, it's so they can extract more money from you

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (13 children)

They don't arbitrarily hand those things out... Don't drink and drive and it's not a problem.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

And then they charge you hundreds to thousands of dollars for those classes so that once you do find a job, they just garnish your wages.

They charge you for drug tests and "renting" ankle monitors, and if you don't pay they just throw you back in jail. Which sometimes has its own fees. Even public defenders can have fees depending on your state/county, and they will threaten to take you to small claims court over the $50 they billed you without telling you. For counsel that literally exists to represent poor people. Ask me how I know.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The logic is deterrence.

I mean it's stupid, but that's what the supporters think.

The thing they are missing is that no one commits a crime thinking they will get caught. So ever increasing the deterrence doesn't help.

Drugs is a public health issue, no really criminal. Prohibition doesn't work with things done at scales like drugs and alcohol. You're just feeding the criminal gangs.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's not deterrence, that's not the point. Deterrence does not work.

It's about sending people to prison so they can do cheap labor. It's also about racism because it's disproportionately targeted towards minorities. It absolutely makes sense in that light.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The logic is subjugation. These laws are applied largely to a specific group of people, and even if they don't spend life in prison, their ability to build a life for themselves afterwards is neutered, and they lost the right to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's because it's not logic - it's propaganda. The war on drugs was always built on a solid bedrock of oppressing minorities, black people in particular.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It's perfectly circular, like this man's dome.

Don't forget that drug laws are often racist e.g. cocaine possession carries a lesser punishment than crack, cannabis is a schedule 1 substance, etc. This goes some way to explaining the legal rationale.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

The rest can be found on the Nixon tapes. :)

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Makes more sense when you consider that the "justice" system profits greatly from the war on drugs.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Regan's administration started the war on drugs. Convicting drugs users of a criminal crime has the effect of taking the right to vote away from people who tended not to vote for the Republican party and allowed them to be legally used as slave labour. At least one member of that administration has explicitly stated that this was a strategic decision to win elections.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm from the city this cop was from and if I remember correctly he was shot in the head and survived but obviously not the same. Maybe he died I don't really remember.

I'm not a fan of the police but on a human level some awful stuff happened to this guy.

Edit: looked it up because I was curious he underwent brain surgery and survived.

Fuck the police as a whole tho

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I used to have that same belief but watching "good" cops cover for bad ones made me realize they're all scummy.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I agree even this guy but life has nuance and I felt this was info that is pertinent to the meme.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If only it was like in Portugal…

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Cops do not, never have and never will "protect and serve" a regular person. They protect and serve the elite.

There is a good reason we say ACAB, fuck the police and call them class traitors

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just a reminder that cops exist simply to uphold the status quo! Our first police squads were created to hunt down escaped slaves! Fuck - and I really mean this - the police.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Taps the sign that says "The Cruelty Is The Point"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

"They'll ruin your life cause I'll ruin your life!"

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

It didn't say what mechanism would be used for the drugs to ruin your life. Prison works just as well as turning tricks for smack as far as life ruining goes.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm all for caging money making dealers that kill when they are threatened with prison. I've seen too many people get killed because some cunt that already has enough money is scared to get caught.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only those were the people that US cops actually arrested.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Conspiracy to enslave the poor.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well someone somewhere still believes that prison is about rehabilation and not punishment

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