Yes, yes, and the yes we should support Ukraine even more.
For Ukraine
For the democratic world
To stop bowing to dictators
this post was submitted on 02 Dec 2024
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I'm so tired.
Why do we always descend into war?
Why do we have to group into 2 or 3 global power blocks repeatedly?
Why are people constantly cunts to each other?
Well, fighting back it the way to fix it, not apeasing dictators or letting them do bad things without repercussions.
We don't fight back, though.
We trade with China.
We trade with Israel.
Until there was a full-scale invasion we traded with Russia despite 2014 - 2022.
Where there's money to be made, ethics and morals are ignored. Just because we're moderately better than them with regards to rights doesn't mean we're good. We're just not as bad.
We are aligned with America, creating another giant power block. Another country that's a cunt to people.
Human rights abuses are being documented all over Europe from Italian farms to UK detention and deportation of refugees.
The state of the world is depressing and appears to be on a downhill trajectory. There's so many parallels to the rise of the Nazi party going on in multiple countries and so many people are oblivious to it. In their echo chambers of consumerism and "I've got mine".
I think I've had enough Internet for the day
Same, but it seems like a (too slow) uphill route IMO.
Russia is crashing down, Syria is getting kicked, Georgia is rebelling, the EU is starting to step up its game...
Gotta see the good things too man.
Hereis my take: Democracies tend to be able to peacefully coexist, make compromise and cooperate. Because most people doesn't want to go to war. Most people want prosperity and share it rather than die for it. As long as there are non-democracies or poorly working democracies around, you're gonna have to fight to not loose what you have. Concentrate power and you are more likely to have to go to war. Cause the few peope with unchecked power does not care about you or your grandma.
Only when the powerhungry feel emboldened enough, do they start conflicts. So it is a prerequsite to have to group up with someone, to messure up against whoever they intend to steal from.
From my perspective; it is generally democracies, that tend to more reflect the will of the people, that are constantly defending against oportunistic dictators that want to shape the world to exploit their- and others peope, to their personal benefit.
In prosperous times, dictators are not so aggressive, but in less prosporous times, they tend to need to start conflicts. They have nothing to personally loose from it. If they have nukes, they don't even have to fear assasination when they mess with everyone on the globe.
Are you aware that huge crimes against humanity, genocide, wars, heck even dictators and nice things like that are produced by ... democracies?
Because if you have a gun and no scruples it becomes easy to take the things of people with no gun. Positions of power attract people with no scruples and can provide guns (that you don't even have to fire yourself). The only known effective means of defending against them is by making sure your country has guns (on the national level) and a government with scruples.
Does it suck? Yes. Do we have an alternative? None that works.
We are humans, it's in our nature. It's something primitive and core in our essence that comes from basic things in our survival instincts: pattern recognition and tribalism.
We'll never not have war.