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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

i remember as a kid watching a peter pan where peter was played by a girl.

idk this one isn't rlly outrageous to me. If they were doing it to push back trans rights ya grab teh pitchforks. but they aren't. they are taking a step forward for trans rights. i would hope they read these articles and cast real trans people going forward with understanding that they are literally supporting trans people if they do that. But it doesn't bother me he's cis. Who would i be to say what gender he can or can't be?

my actual thought when reading the article is "i bet that's a healthy experience for the actor"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Woman have traditionally played Peter Pan on stage due to a number of different requirements for the role - https://www.thewrap.com/every-actor-who-played-peter-pan-jm-barries/.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's the point of acting, really, to experience and display something you're not. I really don't get the big deal on this given the history of acting.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

This kind of thing always makes me feel vaguely uncomfortable. At least it seems like positive representation, and the character's motivation is a damning indictment of how healthcare fails people who fall outside the norm. It's a message that can get people talking about the big issues.

But I don't know. I'd just be happier to see a trans woman play a trans woman

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think the article does a great job discussing the issues with casting a cis man as a trans woman. Personally, I'm not a fan of this decision. The article mentions about how having a trans person in South Korea media is a big enough deal but imo if you're going to make this much effort then at least do it right and give fair representation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The only thought I really have on this front is that all gender is inherently performative. One cannot be gender, one does gender. So the actor is not a cis man, he acts a cis man.

The question is if his performance can be considered an authentic performance of a trans woman, or if it comes across as acting as a cis man acting as a trans woman. To frame it another way, if we were to run this logic from the other side, could it be said that an actor like Elliot Page failed to properly portray cis-het women in many of his roles before coming out publicly as trans? I would probably argue no, but Elliot did have more practice.

I have not seen Squid Game season 2, so I can't make that call in this case. But even if I had, I am also not familiar enough with the nuances of gender performativity in Korean culture to determine what is and isn't a believable performance of gender. I would bring my own western biases to it if I tried.

At the end of the day, I think the author is trying to advocate a stance that doesn't really require all of that extra rationalization. It's a no-brainer to say "Look, you have plenty of actual trans people struggling to make it in the acting industry, why not just hire one of them?" Can a cis actor perform a trans identity as well as they do their cis identity? Maybe, it depends on how skilled at acting they are, I suppose. It's like asking if an actor who is typecast can do well if taken out of their normal genre—sometimes they can, but a lot of times they just don't. If you need an actor to star in a comedic movie, it's easier to find a comedian than it is to train a dramatist to act funny.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

One thing that's bothering me about this is the fact that the actor playing this transgender woman has an obvious 5 o clock shadow where his mustache was, so it kind of looks like they just hired a man because they think transgender women are ugly

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's one way to look at it, but I think it's also unfair to suggest that trans women are universally seen as unattractive just for appearing more masculine by having a 5:00 shadow. Many women, trans or otherwise, can't help facial hair, and this is especially true for those who can't afford treatments to reduce it. And inability to afford treatments is (to my understanding, based on the article) the premise behind this character. Whatever the case, I've just never felt comfortable with the expectation that one needs to "pass" or else you're failing at gender.

There are a number of trans women who choose not to seek any medical/hormonal interventions for their gender presentation at all and are fine with that, though presumably not applicable in this scenario in Squid Game. But I can always respect the "Venus Barbata"-representing folks out there.