this post was submitted on 07 Jul 2023
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Fuck Cars (not all) & Car Dependant Infrastructure

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Discussion about the harmful effects of car dominance on communities, environment, safety, and public health. Aspiration towards more sustainable and effective alternatives like mass public transit and improved pedestrian and cycling infrastructure.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's not like Tesla engineers can wave a magic wand and reverse a century of automobile based infrastructure

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My bad, I will deleting this post in some time because I didn't look deep enough ~~on~~ into this topic. He also works for OpenAI now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No need! It contributes to discussion regardless if you agree with your original post

e: you can always edit the title :)

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a reason for the lack of widespread public transportation in North America, and that's scale. European countries are literally the size of US states. Texas (the second largest state) is almost twice the size of Germany, and nearly three times the size of the UK. In fact the only European country larger than Texas is Russia.

The more interesting number is population. While Germany is about half the size of Texas, they have almost three times the population. More people moving in the same direction, with less empty space between destinations makes mass transportation not only more practical, but a necessity.

Fewer people traveling to destinations more spread out is what lead to the automobile culture in the US. You could drive through multiple European countries in the time it would take to cross Texas.

Now for an interesting factoid. You could fit the entire world population (8bn) into Texas, and each person would still have ~86 square meters (925 sq ft) to themselves.

Canada? They can do better with mass transportation, simply because more than 85%of their population lives within 100 miles of the US border. Despite being the second largest country in the world, they have population densities similar to European countries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

By this argument, both the east and west coasts of the US should have great public transportation. It also ignores the fact that many american cities HAD great pubic transportation in the form of trams, yet removed them for roads and highways. That decision had nothing to do with density or distance (at the time, when american cities were still walkable and the car had yet to dominate the transportation landscape), and everything to do with policy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Self aware? You can work on cars while wishing for less car centric cities, the two are not mutually exclusive

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

Never count on an action when people are getting paid for the opposite. He gets paid to make and sell cars, not to do anything to assist with reducing our dependence on cars.

It’s like a dentist setting up shop next to an ice cream store and giving coupons to their patients for 30% off their next sno-cone. They get paid to fix ruined teeth; actually reducing it doesn’t pay off their Porsche.

Everything else is just PR.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Will add this to the sidebar of our community. If you have more communities that focus on moving towards better cities then please share them so I can add them too!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for that!