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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's complete bullshit and you know it. People that drive lifted trucks like that are called stupid rednecks that are compensating.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair “stupid rednecks that are compensating” is different from “elitist who is forcing their lifestyle on everyone”.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think anyone outside of here says that about cyclists. And certainly no one thinks an imbecile in a big truck is an elitist. If anything they probably feel sorry for them that they think Olive Garden is a fancy Italian restaurant

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh. Depends where you live maybe. I’ve definitely had plenty of conversations and overheard people with exactly this opinion about cyclists.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

For my area the only cyclists anyone dislike are fuckers in packs cause theyre stupid and litigious as fuck. Seriously theyve tried sueing folks for "blocking roads" it was some dudes private road he had made so he could pull into his back yard via either street since his property spanned between the two. There was also an instace where a bunch of them plowed into a motorcycle pulling out of a parking lot, luckily a cop was across the street doing the same so his dashcam caught the guy at the front swerve into the motorcyclist.

So all in all individual bicyclists good, packs of them bad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Olive Garden is the only authentic Italian place in the whole world everything else is a pale imitation

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In my experience regarding pizzerias and Italian eateries, the more authentically Italian the food, the less impressed I am with it. I think we Americans like Chicago mobster food, not authentic stuff from Sicily.

Though a friend of mine did go to Italy and came back with literally dozens of kinds of olive oil, so it may depend on the region and the chef.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Idk it's pretty elitist to say everyone should buy an expensive hunk of metal that runs on a expensive flammable substance just to get groceries I understand that there are some truck drivers that aren't elitist but those blokes drive kai trucks and few and far between meanwhile the elitist f150 drivers are everywhere like June bugs

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago

It's a lot easier to impose your lifestyle on other people with a multiton death machine that eats children for breakfast.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because one time they saw one run a red light and have held a violent grudge ever since...

When a car does it, it's cute.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I get the point you're trying to make but to think that a car driver would find another car driver jumping a red light "cute" is laughably naïve

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

laughably naïve

This just describes lemmy so well

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll take naïve Lemmy kids over violently abusive Reddit kids any day though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Fun fact. The average age of Lemmy users is higher than Reddit.

There is still many kids here, but Lemmy is much less "accessible" than Reddit meaning it's less attractive to younger folks.

It's a bit of a small culture shock when you compare how Lemmy users who have a job and family talk about their lifes versus Reddit users who obviously still go to school.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's a Simpson's quote.

Did you honestly think I was being serious? I can't see how you could think I was bring "laughably naïve" without being "laughably naïve" yourself. No offence intended.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Naïve doesn't equal "Doesn't watch cheaply-produced, low-quality comedy" though

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

The naïve part is you not understanding nuance or humour, nothing to do with a TV show.

You've used both your comments to allude to your superiority so I would suggest to you that you reconsider the toxicity. It's not warranted.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So yesterday I'm cycling and I come to a spot where the bike lane disappears for a quarter-mile segment, so I slot in at pace behind a shuttle bus (the kind that gives a lovely draft, so I won't be slowing traffic down) to get me to the next point where there's a bike lane.

Well, dude in the truck following that bus didn't want me there, so not only does he get on his horn, he did the Seattle-classic maneuver of accelerating into the merge-space to prevent me merging, and when I came in anyways, tailgated aggressively to the point where he was an arm's span off my wheel, while I was a bike-length behind that bus. We're not going slow at this point, I'm pacing in the draft of the shuttle bus at traffic's speed (something close to 30mph is my guess). For what it's worth, I'm comfortable drafting like that (I race bikes, it's common practice, it can be safely done) but being tailgated by a hostile driver in this situation was terrifying.

Now I can understand not liking it when someone merges in front of you (but in my defense, my lane was just ending and it will resume in ~400M and in his defense, maybe he doesn't know that), but I somehow don't think vehicular assault is an appropriate response. I can get him thinking it was rude for me to get into traffic in his way, but in the end jumping in the draft of that bus was the least-disruptive way for me to be on that road.

So pretty soon the shuttle reaches its destination and turns off to the right, and by that point we've reached the spot where the bike lane begins. I overtook on the left as it turned off and was in the bike lane on the right before man-baby in the truck was able to come through. In the end he wasn't slowed down in any way, traffic wasn't disrupted at all, and maybe he thought I was rude, but fuck that guy.

Yeah the reason people shit on bicycles is we inconveniently insist on existing in spaces where accommodating our use is often an afterthought. I don't like the spots where the bike lane isn't either, but getting anywhere involves stitching up segments of bike lane with segments of that shit and when I traverse those things I go to the effort to get up to the speed limit to do it- and 99% of drivers are really good about sharing and giving space, it's that other 1% that consistently seem to think driving like an asshole will teach us a lesson or something.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't have the answer, but about 10 years ago I was invited to go on a group ride. I'm more of a commuter, but have done longer rides. Anyway, the behavior of the folks I was with made me never want to ride with others again. It was terrible! I think that is why pedal bikes get lumped into this scenario. You could replace the pickup with a Porsche and I think it would be the same scene.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Same phenomenon with motorcycles, I can't go on rides with more than two other riders and we need to be able to communicate via intercom. People act like idiots to impress each other when the group gets big enough.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Were they flatulent? Or making fun of the local real estate? Did they play practical jokes on one another? What was with their behaviour??

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haha no, nothing like that. We were riding on a narrow, windy, river road in the mountains. No ability for cars to pass, but many places for slow moving vehicles to move o er and not even have to stop! Essentially, they wanted the cars to share the road with them but they wouldn't share with the cars. Most people in that area don't care to pause, but after passing multiple pullouts they can become irritable.

I know this is fuckcars but that particular situation was, for me, untenable.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I personally pull over when there's a line of cars behind me and there is space, even if I have to stop for a moment.
But the general view that cyclists are assholes if they don't pull over for the convenience of car drivers grinds my gears.
Cyclists aren't lesser traffic users, they have the exact same right to keep moving and take up the space they need on the road.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, but slower vehicles, may they be cars or farm equipment or whatever else they may be (including bikes), can be dangerous to themselves and others by not letting traffic (that obeys the speed limit) through.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, I didn’t get this from that comment at all. As a bicyclist attempting to courteously share the road with others …

-- I will usually try to leave room for faster traffic to pass

-- I will take the whole lane, preventing passing, if necessary for my safety

— I will also pull off when safe, if I find I am being an obstruction to faster traffic

That’s all true, whether I’m cycling, driving a tractor, or there’s something wrong with my car so I’m trying to limp along to a mechanic

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I think you captured best what I was thinking. I have also driven farm machinery quite often on this road, and it just the same. In both cases I will use the lane for as long as needed, but also in both cases I will pull over to allow others to pass. It takes no longer for me but affects them much more if I don't.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

To be fair, trucks are regarded as egomobiles in the municipal areas of California if they're all shiny and are obviously not used for heavy work.

In the 1990s and aughts, bicyclists had a bad reputation in San Francisco for messengers being inconsiderate and for bikers being a voting bloc. I don't know if they are since mass gentrification.

Out in the redder suburbs, all the vehicles are trucks and the women are blond unless they're behind the Jamba counter. And those shiny trucks frequently have truck-nuts. In those towns, they joke about running bikers off road, and might actually do it if they're drunk enough.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Throw away bikes AND cars. We need motorcycle infrastructure

/s...unless...?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

If only those few stroke motors they weren't so noisy 😭

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

No. I've been to South East Asia. It's not as fun as you're imagining (in jest or otherwise)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

"Why does this trend I'm talking about not exist?"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It looks like a gazelle. Not sure of the model. Mine looks very much like it. They're great city bikes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Errr. Have you been on the Internet? People shit on cars and trucks regularly.