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[–] [email protected] 124 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?

If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you running for a seat in the European Parliament next year?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately I’d be running from Italy and well, we are a bit boneheaded at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

You ain't kidding!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Ouch. My condolences.

But hey, it's not just you though; here in Finland we've had eg. multiple literal neo-Nazis in the government – one had to quit because, you know, he is a neo-Nazi, but the extremist right wing party he's from replaced him with a pedophile neo-Nazi – and our Speaker of the Parliament has publicly fantasized on his blog about murdering gay people. And that's just the highlight reel, it gets so much worse.

Europe's a bit fucked, honestly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

While true, apple remains the bigger hurdle here. They don't seem even willing to cooperate.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't we already have this for a breid shining moment with XMPP before Google and others broke it?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s not broken though. They broke their own forks of it.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Google basically Embrace, Expand, Extinguished XMPP.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Only “basically”!?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

"Broke" isn't really tye right word. The protocol exists and could be used but companies like Google added proprietary atuff that made it impossible to use it as an open universal "system".

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would be goated if everyone just switched to the Signal protocol and interop was mandated, but that'll never happen unfortunately.

[–] sarmale 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isnt signal protocol just encrypting? It doesent deliver messages

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Signal is a means for message encryption, and if every platform used it and then were mandated to interop, they'd have to figure out how to do the actual transfer, yes. RCS is basically this except nerfed and partially Google-owned which is shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is where Matrix comes in. Fully open source and supports federation the way Lemmy does. (Even more effectively, actually.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Matrix is more of a Discord alternative than a Whatsapp alternative though unless I'm mistaken?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm OOTL with this. Anakin, what are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Spell check was invented in 1971.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Meme is missing an s, literally unreadable

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Spell check existed way before 1971.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When people make a big stink about Apple not implementing RCS I always bring this up. RCS has an open core sure - but it’s lacking plenty of features that people refer to when talking about RCS. Furthermore, the gateways used for Google’s RCS implementation are made by a company Google acquired. Would we be happy with Apple charging cell providers money to install iMessage gateways at whatever cost they wanted, because they hold the patents? No, so why would we give Google a pass?

If we want to fix this issue, force Google to relinquish their control of RCS and open the standard unencumbered with patents. Require telecoms to implement the standard in full and without deviation or be fined. Give phone manufacturers a few more years to comply and then it’s done.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can also go the other way around. Force Apple to make iMessage an open standard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That’s true, but there would be additional challenges. Outside of the US, Android dominates the markets to the tune of +80%. In order for such an effort to have teeth, there has to be incentive for them to comply. They could pull iOS out of the EU market and remove iMessage from macOS if it came down to it. They are already such a small percentage they might just eat the loss as the cost of protecting their walled garden. Unlikely, but a possibility nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seriously. Hold them all accountable. Don't be pro-google/anti-apple because you happened to give some money to one of them. Scrutinize both at all times.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

RCS will be closed?

[–] sarmale 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The implementation google pushes for is, also couldnt find any foss rcs apps

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

there's the part that google added on top, which isn't open.

And then there's rcs itself, which isn't open either. You need to get a license from the gsma

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I believe this is the specification: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8591

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Google tries to make many messaging standards and programs

All fail because of mismanagement

This is supposed to be Apple's problem?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Google didn't create RCS. The idea was floated in 2008 and in 2009 the GSM association (Non-profit, representing 700+ mobile carriers across the world) began directing the project. Since then 47 mobile network operators, 11 equipment manufacturers, and 2 operating system companies (Google & Microsoft) have pledged their support for RCS.

In fact, Google only started implementing RCS in 2019 whereas Samsung has been releasing phones since 2012 with RCS. Now RCS is actively used by over 88 operators in 59 countries with almost 400,000,000 daily users.

tl;dr - Apple not using RCS is Apple's problem when the rest of the world does.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

It’s not about Apple or Google. There just needs to be a common standard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's not Android users who are getting ugly green text boxes on their phones.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Apple could open up iMessage.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not really into these types of apps but I think matrix is close to what you're looking for.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah yes, Failed to load image, my favorite messaging protocol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boost still uses reddit formatting i think https://matrix.org

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is putting a ! infront of a markdown link not standard for an image? That’s why it’s doing it.

Lemmy does use some different markdown formats than I have usually seen, so maybe it’s not a standard just the common thing.

Edit: oh you meant the other way around. Anyway, weird that Reddit used that for links.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Thanks for the laugh my sweet little internet hero of the day!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Google always

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