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Windows 10 gets three more years of security updates, if you can afford them::Windows 10 gets a version of the program that extended updates for Windows 7.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (29 children)

Paid updates may as well be no updates. Give us privacy or cost.

Of course Linux is the only way

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (23 children)

That's the day I get Linux, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I upgraded my Surface Pro 3's to Kubuntu just this week. Should have done it ages ago. They run faster and cooler now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I've read there's an issue with the camera. How's it working out for you?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I've been with Windows forever, since version 3. I'm old.

These past few months I've been trying Ubuntu, and it's fine for everyday use, browsing and file management. And, LibreOffice has been my office suite for years, so no problem there--I don't demand much from that.

But, graphics applications are barely there. Blender is fine. Inkscape is so-so, but I just discovered recently that it doesn't keep track of object rotation, so there is no simple way to set the rotation back to zero. Corel Draw gave up Linux support years ago, or that would be my go-to. I haven't tried LibreDraw yet, but I don't have much hope for it. Gimp is, eh.

I haven't tried playing FO4 or Starfield yet, though. I've just been switching back to Windows for that.

I don't mind using Terminal, it reminds me of MS-DOS days, but I don't see myself ever become proficient at it.

I won't be getting Windows 11, I've decided that. But I see that I'll likely need to give up a lot to make that stand.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Windows 10 LTSC IoT + a certain mass grave script or whatever has got you covered until 2032.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (14 children)

Why are people making a huge deal out of this? Win10 was released in 2015, and support ends in 2025. That's 10 years of support, I don't think this is unreasonable for a consumer product by any means.

As far as industry goes it's a bit short, but nothing catastrophic. There's plenty of xp machines still running just fine in many places. Lack of security updates is less crucial for most of these applications since they're often not required to be connected to internet.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I can't upgrade to Windows 11 (not that I'd want to considering all their enshittification), so they're leaving me with an unsecured OS. I survive on £160 a month so, no, I won't be paying for fucking security updates, instead I'll be switching to Linux and literally never considering using Windows again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's also not reasonable to expect updates forever. No matter what, support for software always stops at some point, and 10 years of support is pretty reasonable for consumer products. Not great, but also not terrible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Normally sure, but maybe Microsoft shouldn't have tried saying windows 10 was the last windows version, to then release a new version that a lot of people can't even upgrade their current PCs to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

But consider that windows is a paid product, and its competition, linux, is both free and with much much longer support for old hardware, not to mention never having "sequels" in this way. I feel like windows doesn't have much excuse compared to this.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (5 children)

It's because of the huge changes in minimum requirements of Windows 11 and Windows 10 being known as last version of Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because it works perfectly fucking fine and people are using it and windows upgrades are more effort than not upgrading. That's really it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Because it's forced obsolescence by a convicted monopolist. Microsoft is effectively withholding security updates from computers built before 2018 or so with the arbitrary TPM requirement to install Win11. While I don't expect them to support everything forever, this is another step along their journey to make PCs like cellphones. Fixed support periods for no reason other than they want you buying new ones every x years. Next up will be widespread locked down bootloaders so you can't install Linux if you wanted to. Throw away the old and buy new. Mamma needs more quarterly revenue.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (9 children)

That's 10 years of support

I work on an OS whose oldest in-service major release will finally go deprecated in its TWENTY-SEVENTH year of life.

We're not getting upset at a mere decade. 10 years is kinda cute.

I think people are posse dat the boeing-like "safety is an add-on" mentality that sells security patches like a "don't nose in" feature on a max8.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As far as industry goes it’s a bit short

Industry standard is 5-6 years of support. After that, you replace the PC anyway.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

After that, you replace the PC anyway.

you really dont have to though

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Really depends on the industry I guess...we meet a lot of old XP and Win7 machines when visiting sites. Engineering stations rarely get updated unless the hardwares breaks, and a lot of software used to service the machines/production line from the engineering station often don't run on a never OS.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


As it has done for other stubbornly popular versions of Windows, though, Microsoft is offering a reprieve for those who want or need to stay on Windows 10: three additional years of security updates, provided to those who can pay for the Extended Security Updates (ESU) program.

The initial announcement, written by Windows Servicing and Delivery Principal Product Manager Jason Leznek, spends most of its time encouraging users and businesses to upgrade to Windows 11 rather than staying on 10, either by updating their current computers, upgrading to new PCs or transitioning to a Windows 365 cloud-based PC instead.

The company told us that "pricing will be provided at a later date," but for the Windows 7 version of the ESU program, Microsoft upped the cost of the program each year to encourage people to upgrade to a newer Windows version before they absolutely had to; the cost was also per-seat, so what you paid was proportional to the number of PCs you needed updates for.

Windows 10 has mostly been in a security-updates-only maintenance mode since the 22H2 update came out late last year, but Microsoft did "revisit" the operating system last month to add the Copilot generative AI assistant and a handful of other tweaks.

For businesses, educational institutions, or governments, the point of the ESU program has always been to buy slow-moving IT shops extra time to learn about the new features in newer versions of Windows, to educate and inform users about the upgrade, and to test for incompatibilities with other mission-critical hardware and software.

Windows 11's new system requirements add an additional wrinkle, though—not every single Windows 10 PC in every single organization officially supports Windows 11, adding the time and cost of hardware replacement (or migrating to a cloud-based setup) to the time and cost of changing operating system versions.


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