In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial...
Talking about bond levels seems to be asking the wrong question.
this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2023
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Defendants can waive their right to a speedy trial. We don't typically make defendants go to trial when they aren't ready to.
FWIW, a speedy trial is mostly bullshit and negated now through Amendment 14 due to Due Process. There's a lot of jargon when it applies to this shit though but the highlights are below. Most people waive their right to a speedy trial due to evidence collection, finding a jury that's unbiased, and so many other things. Particularly for high profile cases.
Length of delay. The Court did not explicitly rule that any absolute time limit applies. However, it gave the example that the delay for "ordinary street crime is considerably less than for a serious, complex conspiracy charge."
Reason for the delay. The prosecution may not excessively delay the trial for its own advantage, but a trial may be delayed to secure the presence of an absent witness or other practical considerations (e.g., change of venue).
Time and manner in which the defendant has asserted his right. If a defendant agrees to the delay when it works to his own benefit, he cannot later claim he has been unduly delayed.
Degree of prejudice to the defendant which the delay has caused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-6/when-the-right-to-a-speedy-trial-applies
The Bail Bond system is unconstitutional by its very nature and should be revoked.
While the couple did initially evade arrest, which is why their bail reduction requests have been denied, the length of time behind bars has left them without a home and without jobs, effectively destroying what was left of their lives after their son's actions. Even if proven innocent, the cost for them is so extreme as to be a de-facto punishment for arrest dealt out by the judicial system.
While I have no sympathy for them if they did provide the weapon to their son, I can still recognize the injustice being done to them. Sadly, it's a common one - our jails are full of people awaiting trial for far longer than what could be considered "quick or speedy". It's one of the reasons many public defenders suggest pleading guilty to poorer clients regardless of the case - they'll actually get out faster if they don't have to wait for a jury trial.
If you know you're not going be successful in your case, but still want to make an example out of someone that would be the way... Almost two years in jail so far.
If you read more, you really start to see how messed up it is. They're all at the same jail but have what sounds like no contact with each other kept in isolation.
If you know anything about isolation in prison it's pretty much a new form of torture that is somehow legal. Worse, when the kid was arraigned his parents weren't even allowed to be there. The whole thing is really fucked, but shows how mess up the government is with this sort of thing.
The prosecution has done a great job of poisoning the pool and putting out as much as they can how bad they are as parents, but this all just feels wrong at a fundamental thing. Especially because these two are never going to have a normal life after this.
There's something about the amount of time spent in jail without trial, and something about how they could have just walked right out if they had the money.
And then there's something about how this is how the system is by design - it's not some freak procedural accident. It's incredible that it's allowed to go on like this.
Also remember they are now knows as the parents of that murderer... how many jobs do you think would be interested in them? (Granted before this apparently the dad was doing Door Dash, but the point stands)
Isolation is definitely torture, but it's hardly a new form of it. It's been used to destroy people throughout history.
bet they wish they'd invested in a gun safe
Lifeprotip #1:
If you don't want an extremely high bail, then don't be a fugitive.
Lifeprotip #2:
If you don't want to wait 600 days for your trial, then don't file endless appeals after every pretrial hearing.
Thank you.
Yes the US criminal justice system is fucked.
But this is not some poor schmucks getting shafted by the Gov just because.
They are both pulling every trick they can to stall this.
Cause giving guns to children who then shoot places up is just an expression of muh freedums!
It is that way, but it shouldn't be that way. Bail unfairly targets the poor. Filing appeals should be standard procedure when you're deciding whether or not someone has to spend years in a prison.
Aren’t they in CA? CA cash bail programs recently.
Guess these two fall into the exception part. Where no one is sure they will show up in court.
Some places have done away with bail on the basis that it targets the poor, like Illinois. But this couple would be in pretrial detention even in Illinois, because their own actions made them a flight risk.
And appeals are meant to be used when you think the judge made a legal error, not when you simply don't agree with the law.
700? Either try them or release them. It’s innocent until proven guilty. This is just stupid to hold anyone for 700 days without a trial
Where do you see 700?
I can't believe it's 800!