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Over the years I feel brainwashed by the thoughts of others with no willpower to affirm my own beliefs.

Simply, to me blockchain/crypto is this idea of P2P communication where the intermediate technology that "handshakes" our connection isn't essentially governed by a centralized entity. But, "handshaking" in this world costs and gas is often times used as the processing/energy to enact this exchange.

Now, for what can be exchanged, it can be quantities of an item. Or information stored within an item. Kind of like Pass by value vs. Pass by reference, in a weird way? Or cryptocurrencies vs. smart contracts?

Now, my own belief is, comparing this system with torrenting, seeding and other technologies that existed long ago. What makes "blockchain/crypto" so valuable that cannot be solved with the technology invented prior to it. To me, it seems like there is extra charge and latency and thus just more negative values overall, when the final overall goal should be this idea of exchanging information. We still need ISPs, we still need physical wires to complete the "end-to-end" connection with a peer. So isn't everything still fundamentally centralized?

What is it actually improving? And is my way of thinking accurate? Why can't there be a normal P2P project handling exchange of information and/or modern fiat in the same way (Something like Paypal, but transactions have no middleman)?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

To muhanga, I appreciate you sharing your perspective, but I have to respectfully disagree with your claim that "In short blockchain and crypto don’t solve any real world problem" In my view, blockchain technology offers at least one useful innovation by providing an alternative system for digital transactions over the web. The value of cryptocurrencies themselves may be unstable or abstract, but the blockchain ledger allows people to exchange them securely without centralized oversight and restrictions.

When you purchase a coin on cryptocurrency, it have no inherent value, it's value is determined by the price of what sellers and buyers are willing to buy/sell it at, that what actually give a coin it's value.

The problem with the idea of peer to peer modern fiats that you brought up is that it doesn't have any mechanism that I'm aware of that would prevent people from gaming the system. Blockchain make that a bit more difficult to forge, because with the nature of distributed ledgers you have many computers checking their own copy of the ledgers to safeguard your transactions from being maliciously forged by an attacker with cryptographic keys. That is quite literally the idea of "peer to peer modern fiats" system you were thinking of anyway, because this is one of the mechanism it have that can safeguard against forgery in a peer to peer network.

Now let's go back to it's one core function, an alternative digital transaction system. I'll bring up an MMO Game from France, called Wakfu, it got blocked and blacklisted by ALL of the merchant payment processing companies at one point in time (it was unblocked nowadays however.) Back then, you LITERALLY cannot buy subscription, in-store items, or whatever for that MMO game. They had to accept Doge Coins to work around the blockades from those merchant payment processing companies. Those merchant payment processing companies like Paypal, Stripe, Square, and so go on, impose arbitrary rules and guideline whether or not if they would work with you or not. If you cannot get those, you're SOL, you are stuck between accepting Wire Transfers (pricey fees and a headache to use for customers depending on the banks), sending a check (may not work internationally), and so go on. Cryptocurrency is literally that alternative.

Now let's go into the gritty details about fees and chargeback disputes. Louis Rossmann kindly brought up about Credit Card fees and one of the issue is that they no longer issue you a refund for credit card fees if you are refunding to the customer and on top of that, in a chargeback dispute, win or lose, you have to pay 2.9% at least for the total charge back amount plus whatever fees on top of that. Cryptocurrency is on another extreme end of the spectrum, you only have to pay the transaction fees that are determined by the overall network in a peer to peer algorithm.

Granted in cryptocurrency, If you buy something without an escrow and seller does not give you the item, you're usually SOL unless you can sue them. You can avoid a lot of that headache with an escrow which is a service that basically hold on to your money, and let seller send you the item, you check if the item is legit/good and then the escrow would release that fund to the seller, if seller trying to dupe you, then the escrow would return the money you sent after you mail back the item to the seller.

Granted, there are a lot of scams and fake-coins going around with Cryptocurrency, but it still to this day serves as an important alternative in a critically more centralized and business hostile payment processing world. I highly suggests watching Louis Rossmann's video to realize that cryptocurrency is only going to be more important as time goes on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

First, thank you for sharing your perspective.

one useful innovation by providing an alternative system for digital transactions over the web

From my perspective this is exactly proves my point. Blockchain and crypto are solving their own problems.

As for Wakfu. From what I was able to "research" from open sources on this topic, they were blacklisted because they didn't want to fix their payment processing system. Their payment processing was not working correctly, users complained to the PayPal and credit card payment processing companies and this got them blacklisted. And they did added crypto yes, but I don't see how much this actually saved them, as I can find an open financial reports for that.

What I can see is that they are fixed their payment system, somehow (as forums are still contains user woes for payments not processed). If you have more sources on this problem/solution with Wakfu, please share I would very much like to know more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Why can't there be a normal P2P project handling exchange of information and/or modern fiat in the same way (Something like Paypal, but transactions have no middleman)?

Firstly because money is a physical, cultural and social construct so it can't be changed on purely informational basis. Someone still need to share burden of proof and they want to be compensated for the labor. So until we get a StarTrek replicators (mean we remove need to spend money on basic need and survuval of whole human race) this is a state we are in.

In short blockchain and crypto don't solve any real world problem. It solves problem that it itself creates.

I can sell you amazing knife and it will fix the world hunger, but only if you can buy bread and sharpen the knife. This is crypto sell point in the nutshell.

Blockchain is little different as it solves the problem of provable chain of evidence, but it is not economically viable due costs needed to run it for organisations that require it. Any problem that blockchain can solve require that all information for this will be stored on blockchain. And physical object information is not stored on blockchain, so data input errors/malpractice is still the problem and this reduce blockchain effectiveness to the basically zero.

Dan Olson aka foldablehuman have an amazing series of video essays regarding all the crypto blockchain and web3 scam running around. I highly recommend them. It just a sea of information regarding current state of things with crypto/blockchain business.

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