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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Welcome to week 21 of Reading Club for Rust’s “The Book” (“The Rust Programming Language”).

“The Reading”

Chapter 15 continued:
The Book: https://rust-book.cs.brown.edu/ch15-03-drop.html (the special Brown University version with quizzes etc)

The Twitch Stream

Starting today within the half hour @[email protected] twitch stream on this chapter: https://www.twitch.tv/deerfromsmoke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou2c5J6FmsM&list=PL5HV8OVwY_F9gKodL2S31czb7UCwOAYJL (YouTube Playlist)

Be sure to catch future streams (will/should be weekly: https://www.twitch.tv/deerfromsmoke)

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

The about section of the linked page has links and a brief explanation of the story.

In my own words ...

Description of the Turbo-fish syntax

  • Whenever a generic type (see ch 10 of The Book) is involved in calling a function/method or constructing/handling a struct/enum, you may need to specify that concrete type for that generic.
  • This type is provided with the turbo fish syntax: ::<> ... where the type goes between the angle brackets.
  • EG:
let v = Vec::new();

let v2 = Vec::<i32>::new()
  • The elements of v have an undefined type, which rust will infer once an element is pushed into it. But v2 has a defined element type, i32, defined using the turbo fish.

The Story

  • This syntax wasn't always liked, and the double colons (::) thought redundant.
  • But it stuck
  • And was given the name "turbo-fish" by Anna Harren (u/deadstone, Reddit) ... who sadly passed away in 2021.
  • It turns out that the double colons are pretty vital to preventing ambiguity.
  • This is enshrined in the Bastion of the Turbofish which stands as a memorial to Anna Harren ...
  • a test in the language's test suite that ensures that the double-colons syntax isn't removed by directly using the ambiguous syntax that'd arise without it.
  • See if you can understand the test (it took me a while! ... this HN post might help):
let (the, guardian, stands, resolute) = ("the", "Turbofish", "remains", "undefeated");
let _: (bool, bool) = (the<guardian, stands>(resolute));

hint: what are angle brackets normally used for and how are bool types related to that?

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submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Nice and handy reference with explanations and examples.

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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

You've gotta be familiar with Traits to try to work this out.

Just in case you want to try to work it out your self firstGotta say, after hearing that rust is not an OOP/Class-inheritance language, and is strongly and explicitly typed, the Deref trait feels like a helluva drug!

Obviously it's not the same thing, but working this out definitely had me making a couple of double takes.

Somewhat awkwardly, I worked it out through the standard lib docs before reading ch 15 of the book (it's more fun this way!).

And for those who want a quick answer:

  • Read the Deref docs, especially the deref coercion part
  • This allows a variable of a particular type to be implicitly substituted with another variable of a different type.
  • It happens any time a reference is passed in/out of a function, including self in method calls.
    • And obviously requires that Deref be implemented.
  • So sort() isn't implemented on Vec, it's implemented on the slice type ([T]).
  • But Vec implements Deref, substituting [T] for Vec<T> in all function/method calls.
  • Which means Vec gets all of the methods implemented on [T] ... almost like Vec is a subclass of [T]!
  • And yea, OOP people want to abuse this (see, eg, rust-unofficial on anti-patterns)
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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

What?

I will be holding the fifteenth of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

Last time we began chapter 7 (Managing Growing Projects with Packages, Crates, and Modules), and read up through section 7.3 (Paths for Referring to an item in the Module Tree). This time we will start at section 7.4 (Bringing Paths Into Scope with the use Keyword).

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/8006138

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Monday (2023-07-01). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

EDIT: here's the recording: https://youtu.be/RI4D62MVvCA

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will be locally recorded, and uploaded afterwards to youtube (for now as well).

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup, cargo, and clippy)
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the book, both reading aloud the literal text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Continuing on from Chs 5 & 6 of "The Book" (see "Reading Club" post here), I don't think the Copy and Clone traits were quite given sufficient coverage.

So I thought I'd post my understanding here.

Tl;Dr

Copy Clone
Implicit Explicit (v.clone())
Simple (memcpy) Arbitrary
"cheap"/quick Potentially expensive
Simple types Any type

Derivable Traits

  • These are traits which have a standard implementation that can be freely and easily applied to structs and enums (IE, custom types).
  • The ones available in the standard library are listed in Appendix C of The Book. Other libraries/crates can apparently implement them too (though I don't know of any).
  • They are part of and use the Attributes syntax (see Documentation in the Rust Reference here): #[ATTRIBUTE].
  • To derive a trait we write #[derive(TRAIT1, TRAIT2, ...)] above our type declaration
#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
struct Copyable {
    field: i32,
}

#[derive(Clone)]
struct OnlyClonable {
    field: i32,
}

The Three Step Ladder

  • The two traits, Clone and Copy, are about providing opt-in options for custom types around what "ownership semantics" they obey.
  • "move semantics": are what we know for most types and have learnt about in ch 4. There is no copying, only the moving of ownership from one stack to another or the use of references and the "borrow checker" that verifies safety.
  • "Copy semantics": are what basic types like i32 enjoy. No ownership movements. Instead, these variables get implicitly copied, because they're simple and copying involves the same work involved in passing a memory address around.

The RFC for these traits puts it nicely ...

From RFC 0019 - Opt in built-in traits document on the Copy Trait

Effectively, there is a three step ladder for types:

  • If you do nothing, your type is linear, meaning that it moves from place to place and can never be copied in any way. (We need a better name for that.)
  • If you implement Clone, your type is cloneable, meaning that it moves from place to place, but it can be explicitly cloned. This is suitable for cases where copying is expensive.
  • If you implement Copy, your type is copyable, meaning that it is just copied by default without the need for an explicit clone. This is suitable for small bits of data like ints or points.

What is nice about this change is that when a type is defined, the user makes an explicit choice between these three options.

IE, "move semantics" are the default, "copy semantics" can be adopted, or clone for the more complicated data types or for where it is desired for duplication to be explicit.

  • Note that Clone is a supertrait of Copy, meaning that we have to derive Clone if we want to derive Copy, but can derive Clone on its own.
struct Movable {
	field: i32
}

#[derive(Clone)]
struct OnlyClonable {
    field: i32,
}

#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
struct Copyable {
    field: i32,
}

Example

Demonstrate how a struct with Copy obeys "copy semantics" and gets copied implicitly instead of "moved"

  • Declare structs, with derived traits, and define a basic function for taking ownership
fn check_if_copied<T: Clone>(x: T) -> T {
    println!("address: {:p} (from inner owning function)", &x);

    x
}

#[derive(Clone)]
struct OnlyClonable {
    field: i32,
}

#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
struct Copyable {
    field: i32,
}
  • Instantiate variables of both structs, cl that has Clone and cp that has Copy.
  • cl is moved into check_if_copied and so is no longer live or usable afterward.
  • cp is not moved into check_if_copied and lives beyond the call of check_if_copied.
let cl = OnlyClonable{field: 0};
let cp = Copyable{field: 1};


// OnlyClonable type obeys "move semantics"

check_if_copied(cl);  // cl gets moved in as it's not copyable

// COMPILER ERROR.  Can't do this! As moved into `report_if_copied`!
println!("address: {:p}", &cl);

// Copyable obeys "copy semantics"

check_if_copied(cp);  // cp is implicitly copied here!

// Can! as not moved but copied
println!("address: {:p}", &cp);

Demonstrate the same but with mutation

let mut mcp = Copyable{field: 1};

let mcp2 = check_if_copied(mcp);  // as mcp was implicitly copied, mcp2 is a new object
mcp.field += 100;

// values will be different, one was mutated and has kept the data from before the mutation
println!("mcp field: {}", mcp.field);
println!("mcp2 field: {}", mcp2.field);

prints ...

mcp field: 101
mcp2 field: 1

Application and Limitations

Copy

  • Copy is available only on types whose elements also have Copy.
  • Such elements then need to be the numeric types (i32, f64 etc), bool and char. So custom types that contain only basic data types.
#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
struct Copyable {
    field: i32,
}
  • Any field with a non-copyable type such as String or Vec cannot be made Copyable
// Copy cannot be derived as `f2: String` does not implement Copy
#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
struct NotCopyable2 {
    field: i32,
    f2: String
}
  • But custom types that have the Copy trait as fields work fine, like Copyable from above as a field:
#[derive(Copy, Clone)]
struct Copyable2 {
    field: i32,
    more: Copyable
}
  • Beyond this, Copy is not overloadable and can't be implemented in rust (without using unsafe presumably). It's really just a primitive of the language it seems (see source code for the Copy trait).

Clone

  • Like Copy, Clone relies on the struct's fields also implementing Clone.
  • A number of standard library types have implemented Clone (see list of implementors in the documentation), including the fundamental collections you'll find in chapter 8 of The Book: String, Vec, HashMaps and also arrays.
  • Thus the code below, which involves a more complex Struct with fields that are a String, array and Vec, compiles just fine.
  • With the clone() method, Clonable is now able to be duplicated allowing the original to be usable after being passed in to check_if_copied().
#[derive(Clone)]
struct Clonable {
    name: String,
    values: [f64; 3],
    data: Vec<i32>
}

let clonable = Clonable{
    name: "Sam".to_string(),
    values: [1.0, 2.0, 3.0],
    data: vec![111, 222]
};

// clonable is duplicated with the `.clone()` method
check_if_copied(clonable.clone());

// original still usable as it was never moved
println!("Name; {}", clonable.name);
  • But, unlike Copy, is overloadable, which means you can implemented Clone for your custom types however you want if necessary.
  • This would be jumping ahead a bit to Traits, but we could implement Clone for our struct above ourselves with something like the below:
struct Clonable {
    name: String,
    values: [f64; 3],
    data: Vec<i32>
}

// Just use each field's `.clone()` implementation, much like the default would do
impl Clone for Clonable {
    fn clone(&self) -> Self {
        Self {
            name: self.name.clone(),
            values: self.values.clone(),
            data: self.data.clone()
        }
    }
}
  • Or we could see how Clone is implemented for Option:
impl<T> Clone for Option<T>
where
    T: Clone,
{
    fn clone(&self) -> Self {
        match self {
            Some(x) => Some(x.clone()),
            None => None,
        }
    }
}
  • Basically relies on the implementation of Clone for the inner value inside Some. Note the where clause that limits this to Option variables that contain values that have the Clone trait.

Deep or Shallow Duplication

  • In the case of Copy, duplication should always be "deep".
    • Which isn't saying much due to the simplicity of the types that can implement Copy.
  • In the case of Clone ... it depends!
    • As the implementations of Clone on the fields of a custom struct/enum are relied on, whether the duplication is deep or shallow depends entirely on those implementations.
    • As stated in the RFC quoted above, Clone is for complex data structures whose duplication is not trivial such that compromises around performance and duplication depth may need to be made.
    • A clue can be discerned from the signature of the implementation. For Option, above, the inner value was restricted to also having implemented Clone, as the value's .clone() method was relied on. Therefore, Option's is deep.
    • Similarly, the Clone implementation for Vec has the same restriction on its elements: impl<T, A> Clone for Vec<T, A> where T: Clone, (see source code), indicating that its implementation is at least one level deep.

Overall, this seemed a fundamental part of the language, and I found it weird that The Book didn't address it more specifically. There's nothing really surprising or difficult here, but the relative roles of Clone and Copy, or the "three step ladder" are important to appreciate I think.

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submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Relevant for @[email protected] 's next stream next week as they're hitting smart pointers.

cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/16059115

Found this on Mastodon https://fosstodon.org/@dpom/112681955888465502 , and it is a very nice overview of the containers and their layout.

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

What?

I will be holding the fourteenth of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

Last time we completed chapter 6 (enums & pattern matching). This time we will begin chapter 7 (Managing Growing Projects with Packages, Crates, and Modules).

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/7773753

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on this day (2023-06-24). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

Here's the recording: https://youtu.be/pUqVmPRLhNE

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now).

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the book, both reading aloud the literal text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

After Chs 5 and 6 (see the reading club post here), we get a capstone quiz that covers ownership along with struts and enums.

So, lets do the quiz together! If you've done it already, revisiting might still be very instructive! I certainly thought these questions were useful "revision".


I'll post a comment for each question with the answer, along with my own personal notes (and quotes from The Book if helpful), behind spoiler tags.

Feel free to try to answer in a comment before checking (if you dare). But the main point is to understand the point the question is making, so share any confusions/difficulties too, and of course any corrections of my comments/notes!.

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submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Finally, we can make our own types (or data structures)!!


This is supplementary/separate from the Twitch Streams (see sidebar for links), intended for discussion here on lemmy.

The idea being, now that both twitch streams have read Chapters 5 and 6, we can have a discussion here and those from the twitch streams can have a retrospective or re-cap on the topic.

This will be a regular occurrence for each discrete set of topics coming out of The Book as the twitch streams cover them


With Ch 4 on the borrow checker out of the way, chapters 5 & 6 feel like the "inflection point" ... the point where we're ready to actually start programming in rust.

Custom types, data structures, objects with methods, pattern matching, and even dipping into rust's traits system and it's quasi answer to class inheritance.

If you're comfortable enough with the borrow checker, you can really start to program with rust now!


I personally didn't think this content was difficult, though it prompts some interesting points and topics (which I'll mention in my own comment below).

  • Any thoughts, difficulties or confusions?
  • Any quizzes stump you?
  • Any major tips or rules of thumb you've taken away or generally have about using structs and enums?
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submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/17090253

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/17090149

Hi! I've created a CLI tool for downloading Rust web books (like The Rust Programming Language) as EPUB, so that you can easily read them on your e-book reader. The tool is heavily based on this gist and a lot of proompting.

Check it out here: https://github.com/mawkler/rust-book-to-epub

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submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

What?

I will be holding the thirteenth of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

Last time we started chapter 6 (enums & pattern matching). We read through 6.1 and learned how to define enum variants in tuple or struct form. We also learned about the Option<T> enum that Rust provides us with. This time we'll begin section 6.2 and learn about the match control flow construct.

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/7532130

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Monday (2023-06-17). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

EDIT: here's the recording https://youtu.be/W1fjxCwtwfM

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now).

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the book, both reading aloud the literal text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

What?

I will be holding the twelfth of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

Last time we wrapped up chapter 5 (structs). This session we'll be learning about enums by starting chapter 6.

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/7413233

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Monday (2023-06-10). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

EDIT: here's the recording https://youtu.be/eRMxhaJIOAg

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now).

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the book, both reading aloud the literal text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Stable internet connection re-acquired! To avoid waiting another full week, I'll be hosting the session today (approximately 6-7 hours after this post is created).

What?

I will be holding the eleventh of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

Last time, the book guided us through An Example Program Using Structs (section 2 of chapter 5). Today we'll be tackling the following section, "The Method Syntax" (5.3).

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/6871662

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Tuesday (2023-06-04). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day ~~and day-of-week~~ as that one was. Exceptionally, today is not the same day-of-week as previously.

Recording of the session: https://youtu.be/wBYdDbADFLU

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now).

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the book, both reading aloud the literal text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

A nice comment in a forum thread (extracted below, but also see the shorter more facetious version below that) about references and their lifetimes in structs. Here is a link to the full thread over on users.rust-lang.org

I feel like I needed to hear or read this, and I feel like this sort of clarification is not put front and centre enough in rust learning material (as others in the thread say too). "The Book" certainly doesn't seem interested in clarifying perspectives like this.


The Comment

Other languages use term "reference" for storing things "by reference" or just referencing any object anywhere in general. It's not like that in Rust.

What Rust calls "reference" is a much more specific thing, that is no so general-purpose. It has a narrower, restrictive usage. Rust references are more like read-only or write-exclusive locks. They make their target unmovable and immutable for entire duration of their existence. They can't exist on their own, only as a counterpart of an owned value.

References in structs also make the whole struct itself temporary, and everything that touches that struct becomes temporary and tied to the scope of the borrowed value that started it.

If these restrictions (that cause you fight with the borrow checker) aren't what you want to achieve, then you don't want temporary references.

99% of the time when you need to store something "by reference", Box (or Arc or String or PathBuf or Vec or some other owned type) is the right answer.

Note that &T and Box<T> have identical representation in memory — a pointer. They differ by ownership.

In Short

From here

You're not allowed to use references in structs until you think Rust is easy. They're the evil-hardmode of Rust that will ruin your day.

😉

Use Box or Arc to store things in structs "by reference". Temporary borrows don't do what you think they do.

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Sorry y'all, I don't have access to a decent internet connection for the time being.

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This is supplementary/separate from the Twitch Streams (see sidebar for links), intended for discussion here on lemmy.

The idea being, now that both twitch streams have read Chapter 4, we can have a discussion here and those from the twitch streams can have a retrospective or re-cap on the topic.

This will be a regular occurrence for each discrete set of topics coming out of The Book as the twitch streams cover them


Ownership and the borrow checker are obviously a fundamental and unique topic to rust, so it's well worth getting a good grounding in AFAICT.

  1. Anyone up to trying to summarise or explain ownership/borrow-checker in rust?
    • it can be a good exercise to test your understanding and get feedback/clarification from others ... as well as probably a good way to teach others
  2. Any persistent gripes, difficulties or confusions?
  3. Any of the quizzes from The Book stump you?
  4. Any hard learnt lessons? Or tried and true tips?
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What?

I will be holding the tenth of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

Last time we covered defining and instantiating structs with section 1 of chapter 5, "Using Structs to Structure Related Data". We'll be continuing with section 2, where we'll be writing some code!

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/6703544

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Monday (2023-05-20). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now).

EDIT: here's the recording https://youtu.be/s0U7KBXxL8g

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the book, both reading aloud the literal text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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We've got two parallel streams going here. One is up to chapter 10 on Traits and the other on chapter 5 on Structs & Enums.

  • How are we feeling about Rust the language?
  • Any persistent confusions or difficulties?
  • Favourite features or success stories?
  • How are we finding "The Book" in general?
    • Personally, I think it's good but not great and am definitely reaching out for other learning experiences or materials, lately finding myself going through the Std Lib Docs a bit
    • Andy Balaam's Rust Tutorial Series over on peertube are also good and I recently remembered to watch them as I go

Otherwise ... any thoughts or requests on what else can happen here for those going through "The Book"?

  • I'm thinking of having posts on sets of chapters once the two twitch streams have gotten up to them.
  • So right now, both have gotten through the borrow checker chapter (ch 4).
  • The idea would be to have a reading club happen here too ... to allow written discussion/questions here for those not able to make the streams (or who like/prefer written discussion), but also to provide a retrospective for those who've gone through the streams.
  • Personally, in these discussions I'd post my understanding of the topic, look back on the quizzes to see what tripped me up, or any other practical issues I ran into, and post anything else I may have found that helped me on the topic. Basically to see what I actually learned from that chapter.
  • Thoughts??
  • Another thing I can think of is challenges and exercises. I tried one a while back, but I think it was too much/long, so smaller exercises would probably work better for getting us thinking/coding in rust. AoC has come up and there are plenty of others. Would regular posts from such a thing be welcome or helpful??
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Ownership is finally over! Ok, I know we're going to be seeing more of it throughout the rest of the book, but at least it should always be in the context of "doing" something else/useful. For example, grouping bits of related data into structs.

What?

I will be holding the ninth of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

This week we begin chapter 5 "Using Structs to Structure Related Data"!

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/6557213

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Monday (2023-05-13). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now).

Edit: here's the link to the recording https://youtu.be/h4l5Ksd5w7E

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the chapter, both reading aloud the literal chapter text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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What?

I will be holding the eighth of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

This week we finish chapter 4: "Understanding Ownership" by reading through the "Ownership Recap (4.5).

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/6353244

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Monday (2023-05-06). That's around 4 hours after this post is created. If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now).

EDIT: here's the recording: https://youtu.be/3w7m5GM7eV8

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the chapter, both reading aloud the literal chapter text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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This might be a more interesting dive into Rust for those with a fair amount of existing c and/or c++.

I tried it out myself a few years ago. I had fun reliving the nightmare of implementing doubly-linked lists in C back in school! I never made it to the end of the book, though; it got wayyyy more complex around halfway than I could process at the time.

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Hi all! So much happening in my personal life these past 2 weeks that I couldn't put aside the time or energy to host these sessions. Things are calming down a bit (plus I've missed doing the sessions), and so I'm happy to announce the date for the next session.

What?

I will be holding the seventh of the secondary slot/sessions for the Reading Club, also on "The Book" ("The Rust Programming Language"). We are using the Brown University online edition (that has some added quizzes & interactive elements).

This week we will be continuing chapter 4: "Understanding Ownership". Last session we finished "Fixing Ownership Errors" (4.3). We will thus start from the beginning of "The Slice Type" (4.4).

Previous session details and recording can be found in the following lemmy post: https://jlai.lu/post/5991675

Why?

This slot is primarily to offer an alternative to the main reading club's streams that caters to a different set of time zone preferences and/or availability.

(also, obviously, to follow up on the previous session)

When ?

Currently, I intend to start at 18:00 UTC+2 (aka 6pm Central European Time) on Monday (2023-04-29). If you were present for a previous session, then basically the same time-of-day and day-of-week as that one was.

Please comment if you are interested in joining because you can't make the main sessions but would prefer a different start time (and include a time that works best for you in your comment!). Caveat: I live in central/western Europe; I can't myself cater to absolutely any preference.

How ?

The basic format is: I will be sharing my computer screen and voice through an internet live stream (hosted at https://www.twitch.tv/jayjader for now). The stream will simultaneously be recorded locally and uploaded afterwards to youtube (also, for now). Edit: here's the recording: https://youtu.be/OeyWDSJ-Y5E

I will have on-screen:

  • the BU online version of The Book
  • a terminal session with the necessary tooling installed (notably rustup and through it cargo & "friends")
  • some form of visual aid (currently a digital whiteboard using www.excalidraw.com)
  • the live stream's chat

I will steadily progress through the chapter, both reading aloud the literal chapter text and commenting occasionally on it. I will also perform any code writing and/or terminal commands as the text instructs us to.

People who either tune in to the live stream or watch/listen to the recording are encouraged to follow along with their own copy of the book.

I try to address any comments from live viewers in the twitch chat as soon as I am aware of them. If someone is having trouble understanding something, I will stop and try to help them get past it.

Who ?

You! (if you're interested). And, of course, me.

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Just place to keep links to comments from this community that go "above and beyond" in helping someone out and really explaining or teaching.

There'll be a link in the side bar.

Feel free to add any links you like with a comment

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