There are no ethical choices under first-past-the-post voting. We must instead make a decision that reduces the most harm.
this post was submitted on 05 May 2024
478 points (100.0% liked)
196
16563 readers
1625 users here now
Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.
Rule: You must post before you leave.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
People living in Ukraine, Gaza, and Taiwan to name a few. Also everyone in countries in Europe besides Ukraine. In fact most of the countries of the world, because authoritarian dictatorships will carve the world into spheres of influence. To be clear, dictators will be killing millions of people in their spheres of influence with genocides and ethnic cleansings.
Do you mean giving to? If we're still talking about Biden then I believe he will do the least harm.
This supports my argument as I am arguing we need to pick the side that will do the least harm. There is no way to be neutral with FPTP voting.
I don't think you need to actually "pick a side," in the sense like they're the team you support and root for. Vote for the best candidate available to you, yes; but don't stop complaining about the paltriness of your choice. Don't stop agitating for an end to an ongoing genocide that is being supported by your best-of-two-bad-choices rep.
Ukraine's war will continue regardless.
The Palestinian genocide will continue regardless.
Taiwan isn't under any threat of being killed by the millions at the moment, so I'm not even sure how he would "save" them?..
No 😂. Look up a list of the most "donations" taken from Israel by any political candidate. Did you genuinely not look into things like this before defending him with a shitty Sonic meme?
This is also wrong. You are allowing genocide to continue by agreeing with the current status-quo. Acting like voting in the same man taking in millions to kill over 100,000 brown people (most of which are women and children) will somehow SAVE Palestine (I noticed you used "Gaza" there by mistake, nbd I fixed that for you) is so painfully ignorant it just has to be on purpose.
Stop drinking the state-narrative kool-aid you dork.
No, Russia will conquer Ukraine if someone doesn't support them. Trump isn't going to support Ukraine. Biden will.
No, Trump will encourage Israel to finish the genocide.
From China who famously wants to invade Taiwan.
Oh, you meant donations he received. Yeah, most US politicians have through AIPAC. I had no idea what you were talking about.
No, Trump will encourage Israel to finish the genocide. All Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and Israel will be killed. Gaza is just one part of Palestine, not the whole thing. edit: typo
I actually drink a lot of Kool-Aid with Stevia In the Raw. It helps me stay hydrated. My favorite is the Sharkleberry Fin flavor.
^ what it looks like when a both-sideser gets cornered, folks!
The lot of you are going to be so surprised when your posturing leaves you confused/scared under the dumb orange man:
Why go further left when you can shoot yourself in the foot and go further right?
It didn't warrant a response because, again, it's entirely state-narrative dribble coupled with an army of upvote-bots.
Voting for 99% fascism over 100% fascism isn't really the "gotcha" you think it is ;)
In regards to the Palestinian state, they likely won't even be alive by the time Biden loses, so it's really a moot point regardless..
Enjoy the fall comrades ✌️
We won't be confused, we'll know people like you allowed it to happen.
If you think throwing away your vote means going further left, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Legit nobody has correctly identified why the people in this thread are completely avoiding using the word "Palestine" and are instead using "Gaza."
You're either a bot (AI profile picture, so it seems fairly likely), or you're posturing for whomever is paying you to sit in that chair and flame lefties instead of actually, idk, changing the policies of your genocidal party.
No mate, you will be why it falls.
2016 round-2-electric-boogaloo is going to suck for those of you dumb enough to remain in your doomed country after all of this shit.
Lmao the person you couldn't argue against did exactly that.
Imagine you spent the effort you are here petulantly calling me a bot trying to spin up an actual counter-argument.
Your little head would probably explode.
🥱
Still waiting on that counter-argument, both-sideser.
Genuinely no sense in replying to the dorks who state:
like ToastedPlanet did 😆.
There is a reason the Lemmy.world VPN-ban killed so many of your bots, and that is exactly why you had to move on to Blahaj.
🥱
Oldest cop-out in the book. But certainly the best the tiny both-sideser brain can come up with.
Beep Boop 👆
🥱
"Ukraine's war" but Palestinian genocide. The situation in Ukraine is no less of a genocide, and it's Russia's war, Ukraine is just trying to survive.
You can't simultaneously think they have a chance of winning AND that they're losing so badly it's a genocide.
Palestine is roughly 100:1 KD and you libs are calling it a war.
This feels like hella AstroTurf from the dumbies that moved from Reddit
I said they're both genocide. Just because the oppressor could lose doesn't remove the possibility of genocide. Germany lost WW2, but they absolutely committed genocide.
Russia has abducted 20k Ukrainian children. Russia has destroyed museums, schools, cultural monuments, and churches. Russia has changed the language in the regions they conquered. It has been declared a genocide by many nations, scholars, and the international criminal court.
What "KD ratio" is required for a genocide to count in your mind?
It cannot be both a genocide and a war. You're intentionally misrepresenting the situation while using the state narrative's verbiage.
Also the Germans didn't lose the war to the Jewish population specifically so what is your point?..
Is it a war in Palestine or a slaughter?
Historically that's total nonsense. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were at war during the Nazi Holocaust in Russia that killed over a hundred thousand people. Are you saying that wasn't genocide? I find that absurd.
Israel declared war on Hamas, but that's still a genocide. Russia didn't declare war until last month. Ukraine hasn't declared war, they're being invaded. So how does your distinction make any sense?