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Innovation makes useful things smaller - overconsumption makes them bigger and more meaningless (norden.social)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The 2 series is now ~180 inches long (about the same as the first generation bmw x3) and ~3900 pounds ~~(significantly heavier than the first generation x3)~~ (about the same as the first generation bmw x3).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Now do crash safety results.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And gas mileage. A lot of the older cars had less power and consumed more fuel.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Yep I finally upgraded my 2003 Renault Kangoo for a station wagon that's bigger, carries more, probably heavier (don't actually know) but uses much less fuel. It has a tiny 1L ecoboost engine that still packs a punch when needed and barely uses any more fuel than our much smaller hybrid hatchback with the way I drive it, which admittedly I do drive in a particularly fuel conscious manner.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The modern unloaded base 2 is 3400lbs and the first Gen X3 started at 4k and you could load it up when features to 5k. This 3 series in its poverty trim weighs 3k (and functionally represents a different class of vehicle today) Nice try playing fast and lose with loaded vs base vehicles. Also let's not pretend the 3 series EVER had a short wheel base. In 1990 it was 175.5 inches. My accord from that era is 179, 1 inch shorter than my 2021 outback.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I will admit that I am fully biased against the absurd weight of the new 2 series. I'll update the post to reflect what I found instead - the new 2 series is of comparable curb weight, powertrain to powertrain, to the first generation x3, not significantly heavier:

2L AWD: 3640 vs 3650 3L AWD: 3870 vs 3900

The 5k weight listed for the x3 seems to be the gross weight (i.e. car + max rated cargo capacity), which wouldn't be comparable to the 2 series, having no such rated capacity.