Star Trek

1180 readers

1 users here now

/c/StarTrek: Your safe harbored Spacedock in these Stellar Seas!

Fire up the inertial dampeners, retract all moorings and clear space dock. It's time to boldy go where no one has gone before!

~ 1. Be Civil. This is a Star Trek community and lets keep that energy. Be kind, respectful and polite to one another.

~ 2. Be Courteous. Please use the spoiler tags for any new Trek content that's been released in the past month. Check this page for lemmy formatting) for any posts. Also please keep spoilers out of the titles!

~ 3. Be Considerate. We're spread out across a lot of different instances but don't forget to follow your instances rules and the instance rules for Lemmy.world.

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Was Forced To Follow A Strict William Shatner Rule. [It's all about Kirk all the time.] (www.slashfilm.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

44 comments fedilink hide all child comments

"The approach we were told to take is that Kirk really had to be the one to lead everyone. [...] Not necessarily that he had to actually have the idea to do something, but it had to appear as if he has the idea."

Krikes recalled how illogical the mandate was, and how, when you watch the film, you can see how Kirk has been arbitrarily inserted into various scenes where he doesn't belong. For example, there's a scene near the end of the movie in which Spock (Nimoy) has a conversation with his father Sarek (Mark Lenard). Kirk is present in the background, watching the conversation. There is no reason for him to be there. But, golly, that's what Paramount wanted.

...

"I think the perfect example in the movie is when Spock goes into the belly of the Bird of Prey to use the computers and learns that the sound is whale songs. It's Kirk who has the idea to go back through time, although Spock is the one who plants the suggestion in Kirk's mind. Kirk verbalizes it, and that's the way it had to be played. We were told Bill had to be the leader at all times. In that scene, if you're reading it, you say, 'It's Spock's idea,' but on film, Spock's discovery that it's humpback whales is not as important as Kirk's idea of going to get them."

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're thinking of A Piece of the Action. In City on the Edge of Forever, McCoy goes through the Guardian of Forever and Kirk and Spock go through after him. All three adapt just fine, including McCoy, who is also insane.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No, what I’m thinking of was a season 2 TNG episode where a historian goes onto the holodeck into one of Picard’s Dixon Hill holonovels, and he gets shot and dies.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Fair enough. I was just guessing to be honest since you were thinking 1930s episode. I haven't seen A Piece of the Action in years. Other than the fun part where Kirk teaches the two thugs Fizzbin and the concept of cultural contamination being a reason for the Prime Directive, it's a really stupid episode.

Edit: also the planet modeled itself on a book about Chicago mobs of the 1920s, not the 1930s. Oops. Must have been a really detailed book.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It might also have been a piece of the action. I think this happens in both (historian getting shot).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think you responded before my edit, which was not very important, but for your sake:

Edit: also the planet modeled itself on a book about Chicago mobs of the 1920s, not the 1930s. Oops. Must have been a really detailed book.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Now I remember. They all read the book to figure out how to get by. (Or parts of it)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

In A Piece of the Action? Yeah, I think so. But the whole planet (apparently) was supposed to be an incredibly realistic portrayal of a mob-controlled Chicago in the 1920s down to the fact that the cars were both recognizable models and had manual transmissions with a clutch Kirk didn't understand how to use, all from one book.