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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Which market a vehicle is made for doesn't affect its physical properties

At affects the physical properties of the vehicles around it as they weren't built with the same standards in mind.

brakes more effectively

Wrong, brakes are proportional as well and it also vastly depends on contact patch, by your logic a motorcycle would outbrake a car, it doesn't. A Bugatti Veyron weights 2200kg and goes 100 to 0 in 31.4 meters, a Toyota Corolla GR does the same in 34 meters even if it weights 285kg less.

A kei car without airbags and no crumple zone at all isn't safer than a regular car from the same era, let alone a modern car. A cab over wheel is more dangerous to pedestrians than anything else because it tends to draw them under the car. Modern cars are built with pedestrian safety regulations in mind, Kei cars weren't.

Lots of incorrect assumptions on your part here, but it's always the same with people who don't actually know anything about cars except that they just want to see them off the road.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No it doesn't. Haha, why are you- whatever, it's funny.

Anecdotes are fun and similarly irrelevant to general auto standards.

And no, for regulatory, logical, and statistical sake, a cab over wheel in a properly manufactured vehicle is not more dangerous than a poorly manufactured American truck or SUV you literally cannot see the pedestrians in front of.

I do appreciate your desperation in parroting my exact wording at the end here to try to pretend you aren't playing make-believe with your anecdotes and errors, but throwing a nonsense tantrum and fabricating straw-men to rail against isn't helping your argument.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Anecdotes? I gave you numbers. Hell, need a more drastic example? Toyota Yaris, 100kph to 0, 32m and it weights... 1090kg! That's half the weight of a Veyron yet it takes a longer distance to slow it down! Hell, you love Kei trucks so much, they do a freaking stoppie if you apply the brakes too hard!

https://youtu.be/M2wUvkrmYFU

Safe as fuck, right?

How is a truck with a tall grill unsafe but a truck with a flat nose safe for pedestrians during an impact? It's the same kind of impact, one where the passenger isn't thrown on the hood!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's the same very fun single irrelevant anecdote that doesn't negate the wider safer vehicular auto standards of a jei truck.

You should definitely write about the Spyder again, though.

I'm sure if you repeat it enough times, I'll eventually be convinced.

You'll at least feel better.

As for your question if you're vehicles manufactured with safety in mind are safer than vehicles with tall grills, you'll have to think(don't be scared) of the difference between braking for a pedestrian.

In one test, you can see the pedestrians in front of you through the windshield of your vehicle.

In the other, the windshield is blacked out and like many American trucks and SUVs, the pedestrian/sedan cannot be seen.

Which pedestrian or sedan do you think you'll be able to stop for on time?

The one you can clearly see, or the one you literally cannot see?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"Anecdotes"

You keep using this word but I don't think you understand what it means...

If the pedestrian pulls up in front of you, what car stops first, the one with no contact patch, 90s drum brakes (possibly at the four wheels), no ABS or the modern car with large tires to grip the asphalt, ABS to make sure you don't lock your wheels, big disc brakes at the four wheels, development actually going into pedestrian safety?

The only place where your Kei trucks might win against a regular truck is in that narrow gap where the pedestrian jumps in front of it and is visible in the Kei truck but not in another vehicle and there's still time to start braking, if the pedestrian is too close then it loses, if the pedestrian is too far it loses again, against a sedan then forget it, the hood on the sedan is purposefully built to absorb the impact for the pedestrian, heck, they're coming up with external airbags to protect their head!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It isn't surprising you're confused about words.

Why would you stop? Because you've seen the pedestrian?

Be pretty difficult to see the pedestrian without being able to see out of your truck, wouldn't it?

One step at a time for you there.