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Anything, really. But of particular interest is how the range holds up from the original stated, powertrain degradation if any, and other general stuff like fit and finish, electronic gremlins, weather effects etc. Thanks in advance!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think much of the Leaf's lack of innovation was due to price, the goal was for it to be an everyday car in looks, operation and price, and that last one means it'd never be very profitable, at least not for a long time, so updates just weren't feasible. A good question is how does the Arriya compare to other brands EVs, since that's their newest most modern vehicle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

What difference does it make if the car is cheap if it can't even last 10 years? How much extra would it cost to install a cooling loop, water pump, and radiator?

You're much better off buying a REALLY NICE gasoline car at that point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Cost isn't the only factor to adding a cooling loop, there's a good chance that they'd have to make room in the pack for the cooling system, which means either a bigger pack or a less powerful pack. As to cost, have to engineer the radiating, plumbing, plumbing mounting, computer controls for the cooling system, and of course the radiator needs good airflow which might require a redesign of the front end, and the charger port is there, so that might need moving which requires more engineering. It snowballs easily.

I actually agree, we leased our Leaf because we wanted an inexpensive electric car, and this was at the height of the Bolt battery mess, so that really only left the Leaf, but we weren't dumb enough to buy it, use it during it's best years, then give it back and let it be someone else's problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

As to cost, have to engineer the radiating, plumbing, plumbing mounting, computer controls for the cooling system, and of course the radiator needs good airflow which might require a redesign of the front end

Yeah but they already redesigned the entire vehicle and still didn't add active cooling...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There are a lot of very ordinary EVs from Hyundai, Opel, VW, Peugeot etc that aren't screwed up this way. It's very much doable. Nissan just fails at making cars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Do remember that those were designed from the start to have active cooling, the Leaf wasn't, in fact it's a great example of a lack of foresight between the lack of active cooling and the Chademo plug.