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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Looks like it would be a good idea to reelecte him and give him a Democratic senate and house in 2024

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

It looked that way long before this toot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

and give him a Democratic senate and house in 2024

He had that in 2020 and it still didn't pass.

There's always some obstacle that prevents the Democrats from delivering what they promise.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Barely. Manchin and Sinema kept torpedoing just about any legislation that would have been actually beneficial. Though with this specific topic it appears that eight Democrats voted against it, which is still far fewer than the number of Republicans that voted against it.

That's not to say I'm some Democrat apologist or shill, I have so many problems with the party, but for issues like these it seems like they are the lesser of two evils and if their majority margins could increase it would likely have an effect on issues like these.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

and if their majority margins could increase it would likely have an effect on issues like these.

If their majority margins increased, they'd find new excuses to not pass it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The trend would suggest otherwise, but only one way to find out. Let's get a higher majority in there to prove me wrong!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When Obama had the supermajority for a brief time in 2008 (70ish days IIRC) we got the ACA. It was watered down a little but but it still helps a lot of people.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yarp, and if memory serves it was watered down because he and the Dems were attempting to engage with the Republicans in good faith and after the Dems made the concessions the Republicans asked for they still voted against it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

He had that in 2020 and it still didn't pass.

... except he didn't have that in 2020... which is why it didn't pass... what lmfao?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

He did. Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate in 2020.

The bill failed to pass because a bunch of Democrats voted against it.

From the first paragraph of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_elections :

Despite losing seats in the House of Representatives, Democrats retained control of the House and gained control of the Senate. As a result, the Democrats obtained a government trifecta, the first time since the elections in 2008 that the party gained unified control of Congress and the presidency.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

... And two independents torpedoed it because they ran as Democrats despite being from essentially Republican areas with one being a giant lying sack of mega shit know as Sinema.

If you didn't pass legislation, then you didn't control the government. This is not a hard concept to understand. It's one of the very few black and white ones since there is only a binary outcome lol.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And two independents torpedoed it

As well as eight other Democrats who voted against it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Yep, what great control we had right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There’s always some obstacle that prevents the Democrats from delivering what they promise.

I mean, it's just so weird, isn't it? Like how it keeps happening every. single. time. Oh well, maybe if we try getting the Dems a majority, plus the Presidency, one more time we'll get a different result. That's a totally sane course of action, right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

vote for trump. get what you deserve.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not gonna waste my time reading a screenshot of someone else's conversation like it's an actual argument.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

convenient. also I guess reading is hard for some folks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I read enough to recognize a bullshit strawman argument. At least don't be so lazy you're unwilling to type it out yourself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

shut up and vote for trump already

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I'm sorry, I don't speak "shill."