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[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cows don't disappear when there's less demand. Cows disappear when people eat them, if they'd just regulate the breeding side of the cattle industry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They breed fewer of them when there's less demand.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Let's do some math here...

100 / 365 ≈ €0.274 per day.

You really think that'll put much of a dent in a farmer's wallet?

Let's do some more math. Let's say they raise the price of a gallon of milk by €0.10. Nobody will bat an eye, they'll just chalk it up to general inflation.

A good healthy dairy cow produces ~ 9 gallons of milk per day.

So, €0.10 * 9 = €0.90 per day extra, per dairy cow. That would actually yield the farmer an actual net gain of ~ €0.626 per day, per cow, subtracting the daily tax.

That would actually end up with the farmer gaining ~ €228.50 per year per cow, after the tax.

Ain't nobody gonna bat an eye if they raise the cost of milk by €0.10 per gallon. Nothing will change, except the farmers will jack the prices around just enough that nobody cares and they actually profit from it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, so you're saying the tax is a good start but should be a lot higher? Fair enough then, I agree!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure, let's work on it.

Believe it or not, I haven't had any milk in years. I've probably had a few burgers and meatballs with spaghetti a few times over the years, but those meals have been few and far between.

Cattle products aren't that important to me, I can do without. So yeah, fuckit, double the prices, might actually make people think twice...

Edit: I occasionally do eat pizza, so maybe a little more milk product in my diet, but even that isn't often. Fuckit, I can give it up almost no problem, I'd just be sad to give up pizza..