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Opinion on Carl Jung? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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All I remember is he comes after Freud, some of his followers are annoying, there’s a Marxist podcast that likes him called ‘the return of the repressed,’ and I don’t think Lukacs liked him.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (11 children)

So I do not have the clarity I can summarize him on my own. I recall some iffy stuff with his views on the Nazis, here is one source I could find on it though I'm not sure if this page has the full text: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-5922.12072

The article shows how strongly anti-Nazi Jung's views were in relation to events during World War II such as Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland, the fall of France, the bombings of Britain, the U.S. entry into the War, and Allied troops advancing into Germany. Schoenl and Peck, ‘An Answer to the Question: Was Jung, for a Time, a “Nazi Sympathizer” or Not?’ (2012) demonstrated how his views of Nazi Germany changed from 1933 to March 1936. The present article shows how his views evolved from 1936 to the War's end in 1945.

If you need whole stuff written on you to explain your views on Nazis, that's probably not a great sign.

Then there's also stuff he wrote on psychology. From what I've seen, he's most known by association for his Psychological Types, which is what MBTI was derived from. But he also wrote some other lesser known stuff on psychology.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Yeah, idk about the nazi stuff. Wasn’t Freud a Jew? Anyway, I know some people here have hot takes against MBTI, but I think it’s a little overblown. I realize that if I want to look into the Marxist take on psychoanalysis I should look at Althusser.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Yeah, MBTI is a topic I could probably get into at great length. Spent a lot of time in it on and off over the years. I think a lot of its problem is that people see the surface level MBTI categorization, especially as pushed on them in workplaces and the like, and justifiably think it's an annoying oversimplification. But I've also seen quite a lot of sincere effort into digging deep into psychology and using theories relating to Psychological Types and MBTI as a means of understanding each other better and being more accepting of cognitive differences. Then again, I've also seen people who use it for obsessing over how they are better than others, or uniquely unique and special, or becoming so enmeshed in viewing the world through an MBTI lens that they lose sight of more complex dynamics beyond it. So it can go a number of ways.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MBTI is fine as far as personality systems go, but the reason I bounced off of it was that it eventually became clear there's zero method to objectively distinguish one type from another. Every single person who gets typed and classified by this system is categorized by vibes, and that's pretty much it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

That's reasonable to me. "Objective Personality System", a derivative of it that is intended to be more scientific, is the closest I'm aware of to going beyond that. And as far as I know, they have yet to actually publish their findings in any meaningful capacity that others can study and reproduce, so it's sort of down to trusting they are doing any kind of research diligence.

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