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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

so you don't think that a secular society is better for people, animals, and the planet than a religious one?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think whether people are religious or secular is a relevant metric for people, animals, or the planet. Shitty people exist in both groups and will be shitty regardless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

well, one path is based on reason and logic. the other is based on fairy tales. which path is more likely to produce the best result?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Anti - vaxxers are based on fairy tales but claim to be based on reason and logic. Religion is not the problem, education is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

well good luck legislating effective education within the context of a christian nation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Man you give up quick when the effective solution isn't attacking religion. Makes me suspect that your actual motivation may not be ending bigotry, but rather furthering your own bigotry. (Shocking, I know)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

didn't give up. i just don't think you were arguing in good faith. what reason do you have to defend religion?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If someone argued that the way to stop bigotry was to make sure everyone was vaccinated I'd argue against that too, because it's irrelevant to what is happening and won't fix it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

it’s irrelevant to what is happening and won’t fix it

incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well according to this study: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-secular-life/201807/religion-secularism-and-xenophobia

23% of the population doesn't need religion to be bigots, so eliminating all religion still leaves 1 in 4 people in America a bigot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

which is far smaller than people with religious affiliations. there's also the holistic factor, by which a secular population is more likely to implement education to reduce bigotry. it's the best option altogether if you want to produce a more humane society.

you just don't want to accept it as a better path than religion. you're arguing in bad faith. i fucking hate people that argue in bad faith. you're just sticking on a stupid point for no reason other than to have someone pay attention to you. you're fucking pathetic. quit replying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

which is far smaller than people with religious affiliations.

Yup, 23% is 13% smaller than Protestants, so if you want to get rid of Protestants you'll get rid of 13% instead of the full 39% if we deal with the actual fucking cause. 23% is 9% smaller than Catholics, so if you want to get rid of Catholicism you'll get rid of the 9% that are bigots instead of the full 32%. Evangelicals are the only one more than double the baseline, so you could focus on Evangelicals and deal with the 29% of them that are bigots, or we could find a solution that accounts for Secular bigots as well and deal with all 52%. Why are you arguing for less effective methods? What even is your plan to get rid of all religion and leaving only 1 in 4 people as bigots?

You just don't want to accept anything other than getting rid of religion, regardless of how ineffective the idea is. You're arguing in bad faith, and getting upset that when pushed your bad faith becomes obvious and you look like a fool. You're sticking on a stupid point for no reason other than your own hatred and bigotry. you’re fucking pathetic. Quit trying to push your bad faith arguments and you'll stop showing yourself to be a fool.