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Who has a chance of beating Trump that is also willing to run?
With a four month campaign runway, no less. I’ve been asking that since the debate. Calling for him to step aside without a better candidate is just reactionary sensationalism. Show me credible and sizable polls that take Trump by a landslide and I’ll be calling for him to step aside too. Until then, this intermittently confused old man did a lot better with his four years than Trump.
Agree, and the media jumped on this bandwagon, because he is promising to tax the rich.
This was something that they did not expect of centrist Joe to do.
He’s taxing corporations and reducing wealth for their shareholders too.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2169
Most people just don't know that much about Kamala, she's fairly new to politics and hasn't been in the limelight very often.
Usually just a small handful of speeches and interviews, maybe. She's largely an unknown though. A Presidential race would change that quickly, though its hard to predict exactly how.
Notably, the right has used her largely unknown status to smear her for years now, not too different from how they got an early start smearing Hilary.
That’s my point. Four months is not enough time to get through all of the mud-slinging and come out with a clear impression of a candidate. The candidate and their policies would have to already be well known by US citizens to ensure a win in that time. She’d have a much better chance campaigning in 2028 with a longer runway.
Just FYI, ye crazy Americans, in other parts of the world four months is longer than the entire campaign season.
Four months is more than enough time to familiarize yourself to the electorate.
Yes, it’s plenty with properly conditioned citizens that take it upon themselves to be informed. That’s not the current state of the US.
Do you consider yourself properly informed because it seems like you just blindly support whomever the party leaders tell you to support.
What gives you that impression?
Your comments and this being probably the 10th post I've seen you uttering the same things in.
what the media bandwagon is doing is similar to the plan trump had in his first term:
repeal the aca
develop a plan
implement the plan
except the time period between steps 1 and 3 could not just be years but could be DECADES. meanwhile, the aca is still repealed and people would suffer.
any plan that calls for removal that also doesn't simultaneously install a replacement is a bad plan. so far the only viable plan is for kamala to take over since she has the legal access to the campaign warchest and already has a ground infrastructure in place. and if kamala takes over biden immediately makes him an immediate lame duck as president since it would be signalling that he can't do the job now. and there is a lot more fantasizing of probable picks as a ticket that do not include kamala harris. which makes all of those fantasy tickets illogical.
this is not sticking with biden because we like him. it's about sticking with biden because making any kind of change to the ticket historically guarantees another trump term.
I used logic rather than emotion to determine my opinion that we should have a suitable replacement before asking to remove our candidate. That may be an unfamiliar concept to you.
I'm not sure I agree, I think 4 months is enough time. It would hinge on her though, and how effectively she can be genuine and communicate.
For those that actively seek out news, probably. Most Americans only consume the news that is fed to them. She’s currently not polling any better than Biden as an alternative.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
There are exceptions to that, anything fairly novel will drive a spike in interest, and answer-seeking behavior. I'm really on the fence with this one.
The one thing that's almost guaranteed (if she's on the ballot for POTUS) is she'll bring out the Black vote en masse. That in and of itself could turn the tide for the Dems.
That's one reason I think she's an awful replacement pick. She's definitely a better candidate than Biden but I'm uncertain if she could actually win the election.
I don't want to replace a probable loser with a possible loser - this maneuver is dangerous and we should make sure it's being used for someone who is actually capable of winning.
So your plan is to ignore all the valid criticism until it's too late to do anything about it and then when Biden loses you'll blame the people who'd been warning you about it for years?
the republican party has ignored valid criticism of trump for 8 years. unlike biden, trump's valid criticism is far more serious than biden looking and sounding old for one night.
Who’s ignoring criticism? I’m saying calling for him to step aside without a replacement who would do better is not constructive. They should be poll testing candidates and proposing a candidate that could do better. Criticism without suggestions for improvement is just whining.
Whitmer, Whitehouse, Buttigieg - those are all better options than Harris. Sanders is unlikely to be accepted but would definitely do it if asked.
What makes you think any of them want to run for president when they didn't even take part in the primaries?
Also, why do you assume Sanders would do it when asked? He's 82. He's a lot sharper than Biden, but he's still 82. His energy is going to be limited. I would be very surprised if he even sought re-election to the Senate at this point. He probably wants to spend his last years with his grandkids in Vermont (or wherever they live), not arguing with people in D.C. And I'd say he deserves that happy end to his life rather than spend what may be his last four years dealing with a bunch of hostile bullshit.
I assume Sanders would because he's willing to do another term as a Senator and he's, philosophically, a public servant.
There is absolutely no reason to assume an 82-year-old man would be willing to be president. It is a lot more work than Senator. And I personally think he deserves to say no if he doesn't want to. It sort of sounds like you don't.
I don't know if you've ever met Sanders in person but if you asked him and he wanted to say no you can bet your ass he'd decline without hesitation.
Senator is usually a much more cushy job than president but Sanders puts a lot of effort into being a senator. He'd certainly put more effort into being a president but I think he'd get a lot out of it.
I'm sure he would decline without hesitation. And that was my point- we have no idea whether or not he'd say yes.
But some people here seem to think that's a horrible thing to say.
What makes you think she has a chance at beating him?
If she doesn't, tell me who does that is also willing to run.
great question that do not have an answer to
but there are people in worst shoes than mine and a lot of them
not sure they are going to jump as easily on the Prosecutor Harris train given her political background
A Black woman with a prosecutorial history is nowhere near as dangerous as the orange asshole is.
I think you overestimate how damaging that would be for her chances.
I would say that there are much safer choices though.
If you don't have an answer to stopping Trump and other people do but you're telling them not to do it, thanks for proving my point.
I think beyond a few very liberals (like myself), a law and order message will do well with voters. Even Oregon recently voted for stricter drug laws. What makes you think such a message won’t do well nationally?
trump runs on a law and order message.
frankly law and order is a bad authoritarian sounding phrase. law and justice is much more platable and less harsh.
exactly what afraid of
Definitely not Kamala fucking Harris, the most hated VP in decades. That would be guaranteeing a loss.
Say what, now? All this tells me is you're too young to remember Dick Cheney, or the other guy who failed the spelling bee. (In fairness, though, Quayle wasn't so much hated as he was ignored, like your little brother.)
Really? The most hated in decades? The only good thing I can say about Pence is that he finally decided to speak against Trump after the insurrection.
He’s such a piece of Christian Nationalist trash he attracts flies.
Fine. Then who? Who has a chance of beating Trump that is also willing to run?
This is the question that everyone saying Biden should drop out can't seem to answer.
I don't like our choices here either, but I'm not so foolish as to think having the party choose another candidate for us is gonna save us.
This is the party that consistently won't listen to its own voter base and keeps putting up unpalatable centrists like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris.
People think the party that keeps snatching defeat from the jaws of victory will somehow make a good choice this late in the game? As if.
Also, who is really going to be happy with the party choosing for us anyway? The best they could give would to be allow delegates to choose a new candidate at the convention but delegates are not regular voters, they are party apparatchiks. They will only choose another bland centrist corporate-friendly Democrat, like always. It's a big club and we ain't in it etc. There is no progressive lightning rod that will excite ALL Democrat voters waiting in the wings. There just isn't and we need to stop pretending there is.
Biden is who we have, and we can accept it, even if we don't like it or we can accept that this is our last real "free" election ever.
He was given answers and decided to move the goal posts onto something else. If Trump gets elected again, the blame is going to fall on party leadership and the sycophants who blindly support them.
Oh come on. I'm not a huge fan of Harris either, but Dick Cheney is right there.