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It’s too early to draw clear conclusions about the meaning of Thursday’s dramatic national election in the U.K., and still less about what lessons it might offer to America's feeble attempt to preserve democracy. But one thing is clear enough: Headlines around the world announcing that Keir Starmer’s Labour Party has won a huge victory are factually accurate yet fail to convey the underlying complexity of the situation — especially the extent to which British politics has been thrown into complete disorder.

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Based on near-final vote counts, Labour has won 412 of the 650 seats in the House of Commons — one of the largest majorities in British political history, and the party’s biggest win since Tony Blair’s neoliberal-flavored “New Labour” surged to victory in 1997.

But the actual voting patterns in this week's election appear not just counterintuitive but counterfactual, compared to those results.

Labour’s overall percentage of the total vote was up less than two points from its near-catastrophic 2019 loss — in fact, it appears that Labour received 500,000 fewer votes nationwide than it did under the supposedly toxic Corbyn regime. And if we compare this week's election with Corbyn’s narrow loss to Conservative Prime Minister Theresa May in 2017, the picture is even more upside-down: In that election, Labour got 40% of the vote and about 12.9 million votes overall; this time around, in what will go down as a historic victory, Labour garnered less than 34% of the vote, about 9.7 million in all.

Starmer’s supporters will no doubt shrug that off, and maybe they’re right: What matters in the British system, as in ours, is winning enough seats to control the reins of government, and Labour has certainly done that. But it’s difficult to avoid the conclusion that below the surface Britain has just experienced an implosion of mainstream electoral politics, along the lines of what has already happened in major European nations like France, Germany and Italy. The full consequences of that meltdown are effectively concealed, however, by the U.K.’s “first past the post” electoral system, in which the candidate with the most votes in a given district wins the seat, even when that person often (or, indeed, most of the time) falls well short of a majority.

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This leads to the most salient single fact of the 2024 British election: Labour's huge parliamentary majority is built on just 9.7 million votes; Reform and the Tories, put together, got nearly 11 million — and as a hypothetical united force, would probably have won. On paper and in the House of Commons, Keir Starmer looks like this year’s big winner, but the pendulum that just swung so hard in his direction can just as easily swing back. He needs to learn the lesson that American liberals and progressives are absorbing, in painful fashion, right now: Don’t assume that the disgruntled far right has been beaten just because it lost an election.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

The biggest issue for me was turnout. It was almost 8% less than last time! How could this be? How so few people care about their countries future? I wouldn't even be as annoyed by this if we had 99% turnout and the rest of 39% voted for the racists. I can live with this, as much as i think it's a misguided vote. But still why so few turned up? Boggles the mind!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I presume things like Partygate have eroded people's faith in politicians and there has been quite a few attempts at voter suppression. I'd also bet that it being a sure thing for Labour, plus Starmer not exactly stoking enthusiasm, made people less likely to turn out.

The sad thing is that, with postal voting, you can box it off at your convenience well before so you need out no effort or planning into it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Whilst it’s nowhere near as big of a contributing factor as those mentioned above, the election was also called during the time of year the largest number of people are holidaying.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Turn out was down close to that in 97 as Tory voters would rather not vote than vote anyone else. I suspect that had a part here and will come out in the research done as it did then.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I took the day, had brunch with the wife, and generally made a point of the occasion. My first time voting in the UK, and I felt strongly a need to participate.

FPTP voting certainly does have a tendency to motivate voting against rather than for a candidate though. If the right wing candidates had any charisma or even the outward appearance of definitely being mammals, we'd probably be having a different conversation right now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So in other words conservatives need more rizz and to get out their nipples more often

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Mammals have nipples if anyone didn't get it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Whatever it takes to not be the candidate being voted against, really. It's a systematic flaw.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Last election was like a last-chance Brexit vote by proxy, which a lot of people felt very strongly about.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I think a big chunk of it was anti-Corybn.