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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (2 children)

especially when I see what kind of people choose to have kids

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Then you're leaving the future to them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And the suffering that they cause.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If noone is cultivating and passing on positive culture, it's not making the chances of reducing suffering any better is my point.

ETA: I am not, to be clear, trying to say that having children is, in itself, a morally/ethically good thing. Generally, it is neutral but may be otherwise depending on one's situation. Choosing whether or not to have children is a personal choice - what's right for one might not be for another. Declaring others morally/ethically wrong for having children is myopic and likely a result of projecting one's experience into others.

In addition, antinatalism is bordering on eco-fascism, which is not ok. It seems most commonly expressed to make one feel superior while not putting in effort to effect positive change, like anti-electoralism/accelerationism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Adoption. Community building. Helping the disenfranchised.

These are all methods of bettering the future without pumping another child into this world. And arguably, they're morally better than having a child.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I didn't know these where mutually exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You were the one who implied that, by saying that not having children leaves it up to those who will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Have you or are you planning to adopt a child?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

They’re not making a choice. They’re anti-choice.