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[–] [email protected] 180 points 1 month ago (56 children)

I'm voting blue, and you should too

But if it's a competition for engagement, why did we have to go with the least engaging candidate possible?

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 month ago (49 children)

Because the system isn't fixed yet.

Unfortunately, we have to engage in order to fix it. It won't just fix itself so that we can participate with a clean ~~ego~~ conscience.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (33 children)

Okay... But let's walk it out... Say turn out is good enough to beat Trump this time... Biden gets in again... What's the next step? How do we then get him and the Dems to fix the system? Probably not even that hard... Ranked choice, end dark money, end gerrymandering... The rest will likely sort itself out... So what? Do we call our elected reps and say, okay, this time I really mean it, you fix this dumpster fire or else... Else what?

(Just to keep this from getting derailed... I'm voting for Biden and so should everyone, especially in the swing states.)

But I've heard this song before... Over and over... Just vote like you're told to this time, and then we'll fix the system later... And like clockwork we're right back here every 4 years... And god forbid anyone ever point out that we did this exact same dance last time, and we got them in, and shocker of all shockers, they didn't fucking fix anything about the system. Shit, they didn't even try.

So show me the Democrat's plan to fix the system. Or I guess it is already "fixed"... How are they going to unfuck it?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

We already have a roadmap for this, thanks to the fascists. The way they took over the Republican party 15 years ago was by aggressively getting involved in the primary process. Once establishment neoliberal Dems start losing their primaries, the rest will get the hint real quick.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Funding? How do we fund a Dem party takeover? GoFundMe? Genuinely asking, Repubs have money to burn, we don’t.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Is this a writing prompt, or a research suggestion, because I genuinely don’t know?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I’ve been searching. Best I can guess is he was funded by sympathetic socialist governments. Google sucks . He was a doctor though, so I guess he treated people for food and lodging.

Now I have to read the Motorcycle Diaries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They gave me *Quora, and I'm not going to dismiss them out of hand; Bing gave nothing remotely useful. Right now, I need sleep. Just hope my brain will cooperate. This may not be a short term research project.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Goodnight, my friend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if party elections are covered by the same finance laws as regular elections... Good question.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The Justice Democrats tried this. They ran into the same problem that all groups face when trying to change the system from within- campaign financing.

Capitalism will not allow a change that contributes to its demise. This needs to be grassroots social movement, outside the system to have any chance of succeeding. Look to New Deal progressivism and reform as a guide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

You would hope... But the only message they seem to have gotten so far is "lean into your corporate ~~owners~~ donors more."

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