[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

If that's true then they should, not exactly flip, but the Dems should embrace themselves as being the "this is how far RIGHT you're allowed to go before you're a crazy person" party... Instead of what they are now which is the same but for the left. Completely ignore maga and they'll die out one way or another, and start working with a more serious left and whatever the far left shapes up to be. Yeah the more serious left will take some of their more progressive members, but they'll stay competitive with the Republicans joining them... You know, until the boomers are all gone. Then we'll be rid of both of these monstrosities, and replaced with basically whatever parties the millennials and younger generations build. Maybe even an entire election system. Sorry daydreaming there at the end.

Gen x can come too if they want, I guess

[-] [email protected] -2 points 8 hours ago

The only one on your list that I would take up arms to defend is AOC. And she's been pushing it lately.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

They've made that impossible in the US... Not sure how it's looking in other countries

[-] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago

It's almost like the war is not meant to be won

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

All countries are occupied countries. We're all under the occupation of the oligarchy.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

The 2016 primary has nothing to do with what's happening now (other than Clinton getting us into this whole mess with her arrogance and hubris).

The report you linked to shows what I'm saying. You should give it a read sometime. As I did... Weeks ago... Because I do plenty of research. I'm familiar with how campaigns are run.

You really think there's millions of people out there on the fence between Biden and Trump? Like "I know I'm going to vote, but I just can't decide who I like better, Trump or Biden".. or maybe you think there's tons of people who are like "I'll definitely vote for Biden because Trump is such a threat, but if it was someone like Bernie, no way, suddenly Trump doesn't seem like that much of a threat." That just doesn't exist. The people on the fence this election are deciding whether or not to show up at all. If they show up they'll vote against Trump, but the more they can believe in who they're voting for the more likely they are to actually show up.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

The report you linked to shows what I'm saying. You should read it.

Do you really think there are millions of people out there thinking "well I'll vote for Biden, but it's a close call... If it wasn't Joe then I'd vote for Trump"? Who do you think is actually on the fence between Trump and Biden? No one... The fence is full of people deciding between showing up and not showing up. If we can get them to show up, they'll vote against Trump.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

But decades younger when it comes to soundness of mind

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I think she/Biden/Dems would gain more progressives than they would lose conservatives/moderates/independents... absolutely. The types of people who vote for Clinton/Biden ALWAYS vote... And they sure as shit aren't going to vote for Trump or even stay home. They will vote for whoever is the Dem nominee every time. Which means a progressive would also get those votes. Maybe, big maybe, some of the more conservative Dems would choose Trump over Bernie, but I highly doubt it.

So everyone who would vote for Biden, would also vote for Bernie, but not everyone who would vote for Bernie would vote for Biden. The math isn't that hard.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

If you take a look at this chart from the article you sent, it sums things up pretty well. Bernie vs Clinton was just the blue. If all the liberals voted and all the progressives voted, Clinton wins. Obviously not all registered voters voted in the primary, but it still would have been pretty close. Also I won't get into the fact that Clinton's minions absolutely had their thumb on the scale.

However if you recognize that pretty much all the reds always vote, and the light blues always vote, then that leaves progressives (dark blues) left to sway. Except it's just a matter of how many you can get to show up. IF they do show up, they vote blue. The Dems have to choose between dark blue and light red. They seem to think they can peel off more red than they could ever get dark blue. But they've never been able to peel off more than a percent or two... Meanwhile they basically tell the much larger group of dark blues to shut up and vote for them without ever actually courting them. In the end though... The difference between an R win and a D win comes down to how many progressives actually show up. That's it.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Bernie would still win. Just has to publicly recognize his old age while also showing that he's not senile like the other 2, agree to one term, pick a good young progressive VP, and start hammering away at progressive messaging. Probably outright tell the center Dems it's THEIR turn to hold their noses... Unless they want Trump to win.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Eh... I'll agree to some extent... Though I think people are also deliberately restricted from taking meaningful action. And after 40 years of the center teaming up with the right instead of the left, when teaming up left would mean almost certain victory, I think many people are disillusioned and burnt out. They don't see a way of ever being represented, given the current system, so they've given up on the system. The only way for someone to get them off the couch is to come with a plan to change the system completely.

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This idea has been kicking around in my head for a while, and I'm hoping some Lemmy geniuses can poke holes/ flesh it out with me.

Every person I've ever heard of works for and gets paid by some form of company. So instead of the company paying the workers and then those workers getting taxed, why not just tax it all to the corporations to begin with? Instead of hundreds of millions of individuals to think about, the IRS (in US) could just focus on a few million companies.

We the people democratically decide what we think is needed for a functioning society, and charge it to the corporations.

I'd say each company should be responsible for paying the same percentage of the bill as percentage of total "profits" they made. Like, if Apple makes 10% of all the combined profits of all the companies this quarter, they are responsible for paying 10% of the bill. Highest paid employee can make 10x what the lowest paid employee (including contracted and foreign workers) makes; more than that gets included in the calculation as part of the company's "profits". (So that CEO can still get paid absurd amounts of money, but the company will still pay taxes on most of it)

What if we created some sort of secure opinion/voting app where people go to cast their vote on whatever people think needs to be voted on. Should there be UBI? Should it be a token, living, or thriving wage? (Personally, I'd go with thriving and tie it to inflation) Single payer healthcare? All education paid for? Stop funding genocide? No more polluting the planet, or at least force companies to pay to clean up their own messes? When and where are companies allowed to market to us? Where should the threshold of agreement be to enact changes, 40% 50%+1 60%? Etc etc

Then we elect people who agree to simply enact what the people democratically agree on... And if the people don't agree, they'll stay away from it or leave it to the states. And hopefully someday we could build it out so that state and local governments work this way too.

I think we get bogged down on the 2 or 3 things we disagree on and allow that to mean we never get the things we DO agree on. Let's get the things we agree on first, and then continue debating the things we disagree on.

Also I think this would be a long term plan. 12 years would give us 2 full election cycles here in the US and would give zoomers time to grow up, settle, and start to really vote (hopefully with this new system).

Anyway, like I said, let's poke holes and figure out solutions. Thanks

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