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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I recently saw some numbers, published by an automobile club, that suggested drivers over the age of 70 are involved in only 13% of crashes. My first thought was, that number is only that low because every other driver is already very cautious around old people in cars. And they usually drive rather slow. Still no reason to defend older people in death machines.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

also probably they drive less, as they're likely to no longer be working for a living and so don't commute?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, that number is kinda meaningless without the context of how many road kilometers/hours people over 70 are doing in comparison to the number of crashes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yep. To the supermarket twice a week, and to church on Sunday, and that's it. No commute, no mom-bus, no driving for work. Basically off the road for good, and still involved in 13% of all accidents.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Just put them into relation with factors like "distance driven", and the picture turns upside down.

Suddenly, the old people who don't commute daily or drive children around to school and other activities like younger people do, but only drive to the supermarket twice a week and to church on Sunday end up in a different place on the statistics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Accidents per 1000km would be a much better metric. Or km/accident. Both say pretty much the same thing but have different readability.