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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I mean, it's not very cool if the good people living here have to suffer for it. Wishing for collapse isn't progressive or leftist - it's just defeatist.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Wishing for the collapse of the current system is very leftist. In fact, you objectively can't be considered leftist if you support anything about the imperialist, colonialist, capitalist US system. There are zero redeeming features about our nation. It should die.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd prefer gradual reform over collapse. Less shocking to our culture/economy that way I think.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah well gradual reform is right-wing liberal propaganda that makes marginalized groups suffer even more for our own privilege. It doesn't work.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Just to be clear if you had a magic button that would result in guaranteed gradual reform if you pressed it. And not pressing it would result in collapse.

You would press the button, right?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Liberals themselves have told me:

  1. We are a "first past the post" electoral system. That alone should disillusion you of hope for any change through voting.

  2. Biden is "the most progressive president we've ever had." This is probably sadly true, which again shows that anyone who cares about marginalized groups should hope for the collapse of such an outrageously atrocious system.

Collapse is best. We should work towards collapse.

Edit: Autocorrect sucks donkey ass

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 month ago (101 children)

i don't think the left wing is best positioned to take power if there was a collapse

i think a collapse would bring the us significantly more right wing

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's never how it works. See, we get a century or so of dictatorships, with each new guy overthrowing the previous and promising to be better, and failing to be.

Somewhere along the line (because for some reason we won't do this in advance) intellectuals will in secret start developing some rules for a public-run government (democracy or sortition are popular), but no political leader or revolutionary leader will be actually willing to try them (because they like the power), until absolutely everyone is tired of the wars and coups because absolutely everyone has close friends and relatives they had to put into the cold ground.

And then the new Communist / Socialist / Anarchist / Whatever United States will rise, since the point is to be able to change the rules without someone shooting someone else.

Which is what happens when either the legislature, executive or courts collapse into corruption and seize power. The four boxes of liberty are a warning the first three (soapbox, ballot box, jury box) are all that keep the ammunition box closed and unused.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wishing for the collapse of the current system is very leftist

And see the imperialist, colonialist, capitalist China and Russia rise to wreck the world as they see fit just like how USA do? How very leftist of you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is it different when the USA does it?

A true anti-fascist opposes the acts, not the nation.

Nationalism is fascism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No different, Just like hiding behind leftist agenda while pushing your anti-us one is no different than the right-wing trying to hide their fascism while pretend to do it for the people. Also you get someone who's not even trying to hide their intention if US collapse.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"Wishing for the collapse of the current system is very leftist." - 16 upvotes, 0 downvotes.

And y'all wonder why people don't take the left seriously.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hi friend, you seem to be* confused. Blahaj has downvotes disabled, so the count is almost always going to be zero. The only downvotes you may potentially see come from your own server.

I know in this case you might be upset that this person has 0 downvotes, but the reason Blahaj has them disabled is because bigots often use them to shutdown, and try and hide, trans people's comments and posts. Even when they are not saying anything controversial.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

"The reason people support genocide, fascism, and capitalism is because of posts on 196" -You

The right was never going to support anti-fascism regardless of what the left does or says.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah. And asinine.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

And op is saying some shit about just giving governing to natives, but those would be the first people to suffer hard in a collapse. They just want people to hurt.