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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (50 children)

My running theory is he is a moderate republican who, after January 6th, realized Trump is going to kill democracy. He donated shortly after, but with the recent uncertainty decided solve the problem with his own hands. Unfortunately, he made a rookie mistake and held his breath instead of breathing out before taking the shot, didn't properly sight in his scope, and / or just choked.

I'm not in anyway supporting any form of violence let alone an assassination attempt on a former president. This is not the way to conduct democracy, there are much better ways to address the current issues. I am merely trying to point out why he was so close but still missed his target as if it were a paper target not a living being who, regardless of transgressions, doesn't deserve to have their life taken from them.

Criticism is welcome and appreciated

Edit: Criticism is welcome and appreciated

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Just a quick question on the topic of not wishing him dead. This is more a curiosity on my end in context of the legal death penalty.

Are you firmly against the idea of taking a life even if they are abhorrent. Or is the issue with the lawlessness of a public assassination?

Would it make a difference if someone gets a legal death penalty but then get murdered illegally.

Does it make it justice if the assassin was on paper technically legal and in line of that, what makes the death penalty objectively just?

Does “your” moral reasoning of murder always come down to individual cases and subjective gut feelings.

You dont have to answer all or any of these, someone else may give their opinion. But a philosophical one not a political one if possible.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The simple philosophical answer for me is: if you murder someone because of a past deed, or threats of a future deed, you're denying human capacity to change. I personally feel, given the right circumstances, everyone has capacity to change, learn, grow, evolve. Pretty much every bad deed can be put down to humans being opportunistic, selfish, manipulative or backed into a corner. I imagine things would be very different if their needs were met and they were well educated. Most countries (at least in Europe) at least attempt to use the prison system for rehabilitation rather than expensive punitive measures and/or slavery.

Political answer: Trump should be in jail for many, many crimes, not dead.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

And when the Justice system does nothing, then what? Let him round up the immigrants into camps and give trans people the death penalty? Let him install himself as a dictator and refuse to leave power? Let him kill a million in a pandemic, destroy the planet, and gut the education system robbing millions of their future?

Because he "might" change? Tell that to trans people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I mean that's the problem. I'm saying he should already be deep in jail. I'm not saying that because the justice system is failing/corrupt that everyone should just let it slide.

You've gone down the "if we can go back in time, do we kill baby Hitler" route, which I wasn't really exploring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Very much incorrect on one point. Humans are terrible because other humans are terrible to them at an early point in their life. It isn't a flaw of being sentient.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, childhood trauma can be the cause of a lot of mental health issues in adult life, but attributing it to all human shitty behaviour is a wide sweeping brushstroke.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More so than the prior comment? Hurt people hurting people has a whole lot of research supporting it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

More what than which comment? I don't really understand your comment. I didn't dismiss the concept of childhood trauma.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ask those terrible pressure in the world didn't just appear by coincidence. Being terrible isn't all of human nature, but it's clearly an inextricable part of it.

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