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Firefox enables user tracking (mstdn.social)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by wolf to c/[email protected]
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... I mean, WTF. Mozilla, you had one job ...

Edit:

Just to add a few remarks from the discussions below:

  1. As long as Firefox is sponsored by 'we are not a monopoly' Google, they can provide good things for users. Once advertisement becomes a real revenue stream for Mozilla, the Enshittification will start.
  2. For me it is crossing the line when your browser is spying on you and if 'we' accept it, Mozilla will walk down this path.
  3. This will only be an additional data point for companies spying on you, it will replace none of the existing methodologies. Learn about fingerprinting for example
  4. Mozilla needs to make money/find a business model, agreed. Selling you out to advertisement companies cannot be it.
  5. This is a very transparent attempt of Mozilla to be the man in the middle selling ads, despite the story they tell. At that point I can just use Chrome, Edge or Safari, at least Google has expertise and the money to protect my data and sadly Chrome is the most compatible browser (no fault of Mozilla/Firefox of course).
  6. Mozilla massively acts against the interests of their little remaining user base, which is another dumb move made by a leadership team earning millions while kicking out developers and makes me wonder what will be next.
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[–] [email protected] 82 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

This is after they bought an ad company last month, Mozilla is compromised now

Edit: Somebody pointed out the reason: Mozilla Foundation has no members. It's just the executives, no one in the actual community has any input in Mozilla's direction, and considering how wildly out of touch tech executives are this explains it all

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 months ago (6 children)

A bunch of Firefox devs need to leave Mozilla, fork it and start up an actual non-profit not based around monetization. I would happily donate monthly if I knew it were going to Firefox development, instead of the dozen other things Mozilla spends its money on. I'm sure I'm not alone.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Proton did something similar.

This poll shows promise: https://mastodon.neat.computer/@jonah/112654592627487236

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think I would pay for a proton browser as well, if it isn’t just chromium. 5$ a month seems reasonable, but I am more the pay 250$ for lifetime type 😄

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You’re definitely not alone. If this happens and it becomes some major news in the community with reasonable visibility, I’m sure many people would support this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

All of these claims clash with the reality of so many core open source projects, used by private users and massive corporations alike, that rely on single voluntary developers or super small groups which receive no flowers and no donations.

[–] wolf 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

In general I agree: Open source projects are super hard to monetize and too much work does not get donations, flowers or even thanks.

For Firefox specifically I am not so sure, especially when Thunderbird seems to be doing good with their donation based model.

As long as Firefox is run by Mozilla throwing millions at their incompetent leadership, I will not donate a cent to Firefox.

If Firefox would get forked by some developers I'll happily donate money to them and given Firefox high visibility/importance, this might work out, like Thunderbird did.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

You can’t donate a cent to Firefox anyway, the Mozilla Corporation does not accept donations. Thunderbird is also developed by a for profit company under the Foundation, but does accept non-tax-deductible donations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I like floorp

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

There are some Firefox forks, but they tend to get outdated.. / have slow update cycles

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

yea. but they get to claim like they fund the opensource world. like come on… stop posting fake funding claims on an anonymous forum and hire yourself a developer team if you're so invested in this.

But whaa… developers salary aren't funded by your $2 dollar donations, even with 100s of donations. oh geez… who woulda thought.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is Librewolf already a Firefox without ad companies colonization ?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

LibreWolf is little more than a custom config for Firefox, they don't do actual development on the engine, which is the important and very technically laborious part.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In the meantime you can give a look to the Servo project. If Servo is clean for you, you can support them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think it’s more because the Mozilla Corporation is a for-profit company and people barely understand the difference between the Corporation and Foundation or what the Foundation even does, or the rules that allow a non-profit to own a for-profit.